[Rwp] snapping automation envelopes

Sun Mar 13 22:25:55 EDT 2016

Constantly moving or static probably aren't the right ways to think 
about it. There are just points at various points along the timeline. 
How those points actually affect the content in between depends on the 
shape. If it's linear, the line drawn between will be a straight 
diagonal from one point to the next. If it's square, it goes straight 
along the top and then changes at a right angle to the next point, hence 
the snap.

As I understand it, Sonar snapshots are just square envelope points. I 
believe Sonar has envelopes too for sighted people, but they aren't 
accessible to blind users. We can only snapshot or automate. Both of 
those show up as "shape" events, though.

Jamie

On 14/03/2016 10:42 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
> So since reaper insists on a constatly moving envelope instead of a 
> static one with all it's points,
> like a rubber band always wanting to flex between the points instead 
> of stayin where you put it till you change it like sonar does, midi 
> style, then if you use square points
> then you can achieve that snap shot type of editing which I am used to.
> But that weird sounding envelope type
> the last one I have no idea what that does.
> When I tried some experimenting it acted like linear,
> now what might be kind of cool would be to have things like exponential
> but you can achieve that using more points, or playing with the 
> distance between two points nad using fast in or out,
> being so used to sonar's stock sort of automation I'm going to have 
> fun re-educating myself as to the possibilities,
> and probably pull my hair out a few times till I get used to this.
> Ah well,
> fun times.
>
>
>
>
> On 3/13/2016 7:28 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
>> Well, I can't quite get my chuckle head around the visuals of it 
>> either, and Patrick is a lot smarter than I am 'grin'.
>> The way I looked at it was like a square, I imagined a volume curve 
>> linear dips down or up uniformly between two points, but a square 
>> doesn't change the sides are straight.
>> I know you can have one of those messed up tilted squares, can't 
>> remember what that's called, been a lot of years since I took 
>> geometry 'grin',
>> so maybe I'm way off base, but if the angle of the curve doesn't 
>> change, then things stay the same till you hit the next envelope point.
>>
>>
>> On 3/13/2016 7:07 PM, James Teh wrote:
>>> No; it's a snap between the two points. I can see why you'd say 
>>> that, since that's how a square wave might work. However, waves are 
>>> always cycles, whereas envelopes only have the points you draw. If 
>>> you draw a line from point 1 to point 2, that's half a square. You 
>>> could imagine the other half being invisible going from point 2 back 
>>> to point 1 in the same shape.
>>>
>>> On 14/03/2016 9:59 AM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>> I would have thought that, with a square shape, the change would 
>>>> have happened exactly half way between the two envelope points. 
>>>> Maybe not.
>>>>
>>>> On 3/13/2016 6:11 PM, James Teh wrote:
>>>>> As noted earlier though, setting the shape to square should allow 
>>>>> you to
>>>>> do this with only two points.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 14/03/2016 8:08 AM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>>>> Yep. That's what I ended up doing. Literally just stuck the third
>>>>>> envelope point 1 ms after the second.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/13/2016 5:31 PM, Snowman wrote:
>>>>>>> Three points?  One at the start with 16%r, and two immediately 
>>>>>>> adjacent
>>>>>>> points at the switchover position.  the first is 16%r, and the 
>>>>>>> second,
>>>>>>> millisecondes later, is 16%l.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Perdue"
>>>>>>> <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:03 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [Rwp] snapping automation envelopes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK...
>>>>>>>> So, I'm still trying to figure out the basics of track 
>>>>>>>> automation from
>>>>>>>> OSARA's point-of-view.
>>>>>>>> I have a track that is panned 16% right for 32 minutes. At this 
>>>>>>>> point,
>>>>>>>> I want it to snap to 16% left. If I create two envelope points, 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> track, somewhat expected, gradually slides from 16% right to 
>>>>>>>> 16% left
>>>>>>>> over 32 minutes, which is, of course, what I don't want to happen.
>>>>>>>> What is the best way to handle this sort of situation?
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