[Rwp] Perhaps a Bit OT: Silent Fan

[Chris Belle]

Further more, with that window ac there, that makes the rest of the 
space unusable for recording, if you went with an external compressor,
and fed cold air that way, it's a win win situation, might cost a bit 
more, but you'll be spending a lot of time in that space,
and having that big roar in there will just not work well.
So you will maybe want a separate system from the house because cooling 
needs for that room is different than the house, you'll have electronics 
out there which give off heat as well, we ran out of scratch so tagged 
the studio on to the house unit,
and I have been kicking myself for doing that, when we can afford it, am 
going to put in a separate unit because when everything is turned on in 
the studio
even though it's well insulated it get's warm in there with a lot of 
people and those flex hoses don't push as much air as the big ducts even 
though they are quieter, so I'm always turning off stuff to minimize 
heat in there,
but with a separate unit, you can run it as needed and I usually have to 
freeze everyone out of the house to get it cool in there in the summer 
months so you don't want that situation.


On 3/12/2016 1:02 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
> YOu really need to ditch that window ac if you can.
> I like the idea of an extra big unit for the house and taking air from 
> that, or you can do something like a small unit outside the garage, 
> and a feeder duct to bring air in to it.
> But you're just aggrevating things with that big noisy ac right in the 
> window.
> there's no way to quiet that down,
>
>
> On 3/11/2016 3:16 PM, Marion & Martin wrote:
>> Chris,
>>
>>     Everyone is telling me that the concrete walls and floors should be
>> sufficient to stop any outside noise; however, I still have the issue 
>> with
>> the window and the AC window unit. If I close off the window with that
>> 2-inch polyfoam stuff they have at Lowes with a bit of foam on the 
>> back to
>> dampen the window vibrations, I might be able to achieve the 
>> soundproofing I
>> am trying to achieve, the remaining issue though is the window AC. 
>> Any ideas
>> of how to stop that noise from infiltrating my recordings without 
>> building a
>> separate room?we are getting a new central unit in a couple months, 
>> so I am
>> thinking of perhaps getting a 1/2 ton larger unit and installing a 
>> duct fan
>> to get a little more air flow back to that room. It gets a little warm
>> during the Florida summers since the room is on the south side of the 
>> house
>> getting direct sun for at least 8 hours daily!
>>
>> Marion
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Chris 
>> Belle
>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 3:36 PM
>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Perhaps a Bit OT: Silent Fan
>>
>> Just use mineral wool anyplace instead of fiberglass.
>> I don't llike fiberglass, it's too light to really absorb anything, 
>> and it's
>> nasty stuf.
>> I'd even prefer that blow in stuff celulose to fiberglass.
>> Carpet is good anyplace,
>> and concrete walls you're in pretty good shape there, that's nice.
>>
>>
>> On 3/11/2016 2:23 PM, Marion & Martin wrote:
>>> Chris,
>>>
>>>     Thank you very much for your suggestions. I have considered 
>>> creating
>>> some duct work with a couple turns in it and insulated with foam,
>> something
>>> like the eg crate mattress covers, bringing the fan from the floor to a
>> vent
>>> in the ceiling. Lowes sells 2-inch polyfoam wallboard and I am 
>>> considering
>>> using this on both the inside and outside of the room with R-30 
>>> insulation
>>> in the frame space. I have also considered using a double layer of 
>>> carpet
>>> padding on the floor and even floating the frame on it. Using an 
>>> acoustic
>>> caulk to attach the wallboard might be a good idea. Since the room in
>> which
>>> the booth will be located is a converted garage, the walls are concrete
>>> block with an 8-inch concrete foundation. The biggest concern I have 
>>> from
>>> the room - other than the window unit, is the 5 X 8 window that acts 
>>> like
>> a
>>> drum when a loud motorcycle or car goes by, especially when they are
>> blaring
>>> the bass!
>>>
>>>     I am thinking about making a YouTube video of the construction just
>>> for fun. Any other ideas are greatly appreciated!
>>>
>>> Peace!
>>> Marion
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Chris 
>>> Belle
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:16 PM
>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Perhaps a Bit OT: Silent Fan
>>>
>>> If you go to
>>> www.acousticalsolutions.com
>>> that's where we got a lot of our studio treatment stuff.
>>> The basic idea is you want larger, slow moving fans.
>>> Also sound can't go around corners and turns and such as well, so an
>>> insulated duct that winds around a bit will help to stop sound.
>>> YOu can get quiet promoting bent covers as well.
>>> When we did the studio here, we made the intake vents on our ac a lot
>>> bigger, slowed down the fans, and made flex duct instead of those metal
>>> ducts which are noisy as heck and transmit lots of sound.
>>> YOu can get non-conductive flex duct and put it far away from your fan.
>>> Of course your efficiency goes down a bit but if you insulate it, that
>> will
>>> help, you also might consider using that vent you pulled from the 
>>> house to
>>> cool your booth which is a lot smaller space, and you can turn off the
>>> window unit when you are recording but not out in the control room.
>>> That won't work when a band is in there, but if you are working 
>>> yourself,
>>> you can sort of work it that way.
>>> Those window units are noisy, you might need to really isolate that 
>>> booth
>> to
>>> keep all the noise out, we used resiliant channel and double sheet rock
>> and
>>> mass loaded vynal, and all that stuff, had I to do it over again, I 
>>> think
>>> I'd give up a little more room and do double walls all the way 
>>> around, we
>>> live right by the road and there's a whole lot of noise, and there's 
>>> only
>> so
>>> much you can do in an old wooden house.
>>> It's pretty good none the less, we dropped a bundle for us, but the
>> general
>>> idea is the more layers you have and isolating the layers from each 
>>> other,
>>> and using mass, that stops noise.
>>> I don't know what your floor is, but you might consider floating the 
>>> booth
>>> as well.
>>> Most commercial studios have a nice concrete or cynder block outside to
>>> start with to isolate noise, it can get crazy expensive, and the 
>>> trouble
>> is
>>> that most contractors don't have the first idea of how to really do 
>>> this,
>> so
>>> but you can get no brainer products like led impregnated sheetrock, and
>>> green glue can be put between your sheetrock layers to help isolate 
>>> them
>>> from each other, and you can do things like leave space around your 
>>> edges
>> so
>>> nothing touches and use acoustical calk so you're cutting down
>> transmission
>>> to adjacent walls, I like mineral wool too, way better than fiber 
>>> glass,
>> and
>>> don't forget about your ceiling as well, we did a bit of a dropped
>> ceiling.
>>> they should have some good ideas for you over at that site and good 
>>> luck.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/10/2016 11:50 AM, Marion & Martin wrote:
>>>> Friends,
>>>>
>>>>                   I am preparing to build a soundproof recording booth
>>>> in my studio space. The studio space is a converted garage in which a
>>>> central AC duct was pulled from the existing system; however, it
>>>> doesn't do a very good job at cooling, especially during the Florida
>>>> summer months, partly because the room is on the south side of the
>>>> house with little shade. As the result, I have installed a window unit
>>>> and it does an excellent job cooling the room. The challenge for me is
>>>> that it is quite noisy, especially with an open mic. This is the
>>>> reason for my interest in building a room inside the room.
>>>>
>>>> This recording booth will be about 6 (L) X 8 (W) X 7 (H). Somehow I
>>>> need to ventilate the room to bring in cool air without creating
>>>> noise. Has anyone on this list already solved this problem or have
>>>> information that would help me do so? All input is greatly 
>>>> appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>
>>>> Marion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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