[Rwp] Introducing myself and a quick question

Wed Mar 2 07:03:12 EST 2016

I like to use all of it, both hardware, keyboards, rack units, and 
software as well.
I'm one of these people who don't worship tools, I'm only going to use 
this DAW,
or this screen-reader, if it's good, it's good.
Of course, everyone has their favorites.
It's easy to just flop a vst in to sonar or reaper
and knock out a kick or snare track, but I find my self if I like the 
sound of drums from my keyboards around here, hooking it up and using 
that as well.
I find I like my roland piano sound better than even ivory in some 
cases, because it has variable dampering,
which gives a realistic vibe to piano tracks, you can hear the pedal 
grab hold and relax some notes sustaining while others damping more.
But in the last 10 years, I've used soft synths more than hardware but 
you know what?
I've sampled some of my hardware sounds and made my own instruments to 
use so I can use them digitally and in more
flexible ways.
For instance I like a kick from one drumkit in my roland, but I like the 
snare in the other kit.
In pure midi I'd have to route two midi channels, and use it that way, 
but in sforzando,
and making an sfz instrument,
I can sample both pieces of the drum kit and use them how I like in the DAW.
Furthermore, if I want to eq or put a filter on it, sforzando has some 
nice filters, and eq on every note if you like, then that's possible as 
well.
Also mapping, I might only have 1 or 2 keys on my keyboard, but if I 
want 10 keys so I can do a crazy roll using all 10 fingers, it's easy to 
do with sforzando and sfz.
So I use everything all mixed up in a happy family.
I like to run sonar and reaper together in a chain sometimes using rewire,
so they play follow the leader, that's great fun because I get benefit 
of both beasts.
It's kind of like having your motorcycle dirt bike on the back of your 
trailer on your nice mobile home,
you get your showers and dishes, and comfortable bed, but you get to 
cllimb rocks and kick up dirt and go places that would kill the poor big 
fat trailer rig 'bgrin'.

On 3/2/2016 4:57 AM, Alan wrote:
> Well, if possible, I preffer software sollutions cause it makes easier to work pure digital. some libraries like edirol orchestral or super quarted runs perfectly, but they include a few sounds only.
> do you all use racks or hardware, not software?  Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>
>> El 2 mar 2016, a las 11:40, Scott Chesworth <scottchesworth at gmail.com> escribió:
>>
>> Gentle reminder: this is a DAW war free zone, cheers chaps.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>> On 3/2/16, Tayeb Meftah <tayeb.meftah at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> actualy Sonar is a wast, no?
>>> why should i buy sonar while jSonar work only with Sonar 8.5?
>>> grrr... i wasted 105USD for free befaure, and i'm pretty awesome with
>>> reaper.
>>>
>>> Envoyé de mon iPad
>>>
>>>> Le 2 mars 2016 à 11:23, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> I think hardware is always a good choice,
>>>> one thing about it, it doesn't change, if you learn it, it will work in
>>>> any DAW.
>>>> But the thing about hardware is that it does get out of date in the sense
>>>> that you can't easily change samples in it,
>>>> some high end instruments allow for extra memory to load samples, but that
>>>> is not how those instruments are usually used you buy a keyboard largely
>>>> for it's onboard samples, and tight integration to it's own operating
>>>> system and features.
>>>> Sadly, at least for now, most of the development for third party
>>>> instruments has been done for sonar users,
>>>> because they were willing to pay for development,
>>>> and there was enough of a user base to warrant that from third party
>>>> developers, who are often small companies, or one by operators who do it
>>>> as a side line,
>>>> but since each DAW expresses vst windows differently you can't just use a
>>>> scripting package for hsc or ahk straight across.
>>>> One person Steve Spamer
>>>> has a site with lots of info on accessibility and some of my own work is
>>>> even over there,
>>>> there's a guy in Italy
>>>> GN Luca who has done some work with kontakt 5 with ahk scripts, he sells
>>>> some stuff and gives some away for free,
>>>> the thing about kontakt is that each library is different, and even though
>>>> Steve hasdone a free set, it won't work for all libraries,
>>>> And not all his work I don't think has been done for reaper.
>>>> In many ways right now,
>>>> sonar is still the gold standard, but we are hoping to change that in the
>>>> future, and what I've seen now is very encouraging.
>>>> I think reaper will have a more universal appeal,
>>>> inexpensive enough for the casual recording person but powerful enough for
>>>> the pro as well.
>>>> But it won't have all those third party instruments like sonar did, as a
>>>> big starting point,
>>>> like dimension pro, or rapture,
>>>> or even little tts a great little gm2 level synth for song writing, the
>>>> sfz player, and sessiondrummer3,
>>>> a nice 12 output drum synth which the good thing about sonar's synths is
>>>> that they use the open sfz format so it's easy to mess around with those
>>>> if you know a little sfz coding.
>>>> That happens to be a bit of a hobby of mine, I love crafting my own
>>>> instruments.
>>>> Sfz is nice because there's no heavy gui interface to deal with, you learn
>>>> a few opcodes and then you're off and running provided you have some good
>>>> samples to work with.
>>>> See if I want a good snare drum, I go make or buy samples I like, and then
>>>> I can map my own keys, and layer up my velocity layers, and make it up in
>>>> a few minutes the way I want.
>>>> I realize, this is a far cry from loading up the latest huge offering from
>>>> kontakt,
>>>> with all it's bells and whistles, but it works for me.
>>>> Here's the info to Steve's site.
>>>> http://vipaudioaccess.com/
>>>>
>>>> And in closing, I am an old school midi guy, I had all those first run
>>>> synths the old dx7 and alphajuno one which I still own,
>>>> and the first sampling grand piano made by Korg,
>>>> so now a days you can buy nice keyboards with tons of sounds for well
>>>> under a thousand dollars, even the low end stuff sounds pretty good, I
>>>> think casio  made a work station a couple years ago for around 500 bucks
>>>> with organ draw bars,
>>>> even, roland makes stuff, so does Yamaha they all have versions of their
>>>> keyboards which startg in the hundreds nad goes up from there.
>>>> If you can do some searches on line and listen, or visit a music store,
>>>> hardware module especially in the analog synth realm have made a big come
>>>> back, there is just something about hardware you can't get with soft
>>>> synths,
>>>> sometimes, there is just a real feel and you don't have to worry about
>>>> computer performance or latency or the like, it just works.
>>>> but there's always the looming spector of accessibility,
>>>> did I just buy a 2 thousand dollar beast I can't run?
>>>> Well there's been a lot of blindy's using the mo stuff,
>>>> I personally like the sounds of roland gear, but it's kind of a bear to
>>>> use.
>>>> I knew a guy on midimag Drizza,
>>>> who used to sell mo tutorials, he might still be doing that.
>>>> But that whole line of keyboards seems to have found great favor in our
>>>> community.
>>>> If you want to go old school, and kurtzweil,
>>>> someone even invented the kirtzweil reader a while back which can read the
>>>> midi display I don't know what happened to that project, but if I can find
>>>> some emails on it,
>>>> the brothers Scramenti
>>>> not sure if I spelled that right, but they developed that system, and yes
>>>> of course it was sonar users,
>>>> but I don't think it was exclusive to sonar users,
>>>> so you may get some mileage there, but I think the later kurtzweil units
>>>> wouldn't work with that system anymore,
>>>> and anyway, as much a religious vibe as those kurtzweil units struck in
>>>> our community,
>>>> I have nothing against them, still many great classic sounds there, they
>>>> tended to be very conservative about new technology,
>>>> the stuff on the mo as far as amount of memory, samples, fx and features
>>>> far out paced that line.
>>>> The things to look for in a keyboard are menus that don't rap, and no
>>>> touch screens,
>>>> harder to come by these days, but even in saying that, there are synth
>>>> immulations and keyboard things on the iOS
>>>> platform you can get for very little which are showing up to be accessible
>>>> or partially so.
>>>> It's like we're inventing the wheel all over again on the Ipad, so you can
>>>> hook up an inexpensive controler, and use your IPad as a synth module,
>>>> you won't get the performance you would from a great computer, but hey,
>>>> it's something to mess about with.
>>>> Hope all this helps a bit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/2/2016 3:30 AM, Kevin Brown wrote:
>>>>> Hi,...This is Kevin Brown...
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know how you feel about hardware sound modules, but I have been
>>>>> using the "Motif Rack" with very much success,...granted it is more
>>>>> expensive,...but I believe worth the investment...
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