[Rwp] Off-topic: Does Anyone Have Midi Quest by Sound Quest?

theoreomonster at reaperaccess.com theoreomonster at reaperaccess.com
Sat Jan 9 09:24:46 EST 2016 

Preach the fuck on! I been saying for a while now We need to stop making accessible apps for the blind and make  apps that are accessible. We want the world  tomato all their apps accessible to us, but 9 times out of 10 when a blind programmer makes an app its only for the  blind. So much for leading by example eh?  But hey I guess when you go from making no money to collecting some dough from your contemporaries for something its easy to think you are rolling in the dog and not have to aspire to much more. Besides who wants to provide tech support to those pesky “sightee"  assholes right?

> On Jan 8, 2016, at 9:46 PM, Snowman <snowman at snowmanradio.com> wrote:
> 
> Jees,  I have to giv the guy credit for giving an honest response.  That's more than you would get from a large company, with many times the resources. And, he's probably telling a true story their.  And, one of the points he makes is the most telling one.  We aren't a big enough market to make it anything more than a charitable effort, one which they can't afford to do at this point.
> 
> Honestly,I know people love to main stream, because you just have so many groovy, early user experiences to chase, as you play with the latest and greatest thing which you would just love to use, but can't.  Time and again, you find that you can't, and are left out.  Very discouraging.  Still, people love to butt their heads against that wall.
> And, there is always the issue of interacting with sighted colleagues over a common format.  So, I undeerstand why people want to be able to use the same apps as their colleagues do.  Very understandable.
> But, I would really like to see blind programmers organize, and focus their heads around designing applications for this sort of thing, which are screen reader friendly from the get go.  Access is in the design, not an afterthought.  .  Some people believe in integration at any cost.  Others believe in separate but equal.  I believe in separate but superior.  There is no bloody reason other than ambition that we can't design our own sound recorders, midi editors, Broadcast platforms, etc etc.  Just think how much we would learn as we did it.
> 
> Stop pointing your finger at me.
> 
> I'm not a windows programmer, so I would be a beginner, with infinite amounts of stuff to learn before I could program diddly squat.  But, it does seem like a very interesting thing to do.  Maybe when I retire.
> .  But, that is sort of what they did with Studio Recorder, isn't it?  They couldn't find the thing with all the features they needed, so they built their owhn.  And, I hear it is a nice, responsive little package.
> I would expect that editors that would suit our needs would be a lot simpler than what it takes to satisfy the sighted community.  No icon saturation bullshit, no shading, no graphical crap to screw around with.  No sixteen tons of enigmatic preference options.  WE would make the best damned audio editor on the plannet, and then we would charge sighted people extra for us to clamp on some sort of groovy GUI  for their benefit.  Or, just publish an API, and let them have at it.  Sounds like a good weekend project.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 7:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Off-topic: Does Anyone Have Midi Quest by Sound Quest?
> 
> 
>> Maybe a good candidate for hsc.
>> 
>> Or maybe ahk.
>> 
>> Now who's gonna step up and do the work, and who's gonna pay for it?
>> That's the billion dollar digital question?
>> 
>> On 1/8/2016 4:42 AM, Matej Golian wrote:
>>> Hi again,
>>> this is the response I got from Midi Quest support:
>>> 
>>> "Thanks for your feedback. I should give you a little history to add
>>> to your knowledge.
>>> 
>>> Midi Quest has been around a very long time and one of the ways that
>>> the program has survived is that it is still based on some of the
>>> structures from its inception. My understanding is that all of the
>>> text readers do their job by querying controls for their text contents
>>> and turning this into spoken language. The problem is that Windows,
>>> back at that time, provided only a limited number of controls as
>>> resources and beyond that it would simply fail. The number of
>>> available controls was not even close to sufficient to create even a
>>> relatively simple editor. As a result, and I believe this is true of
>>> all major editor/librarians, we were forced to create our own set of
>>> controls which we use to display and control editing of the instrument
>>> parameters. (Also, we found that relying on Windows to displays these
>>> highly control based editors resulted in unacceptable rendering delays
>>> and a very bad user experience. Another reason why we had to abandon
>>> the control based design.)
>>> 
>>> At this point, we really can't go back. The graphic layouts are an
>>> integral part of how the information is displayed and if would require
>>> a huge investment in rework in order to present the information in a
>>> way that would support text readers.
>>> 
>>> We do our best to track the interests of our customers and potential
>>> customers and the unfortunate truth, from our perspective anyway, is
>>> that we have seen anything close to the level of interest that would
>>> be required to make Midi Quest user friendly to the blind. We are
>>> admittedly a small company and we certainly don't have the resources
>>> to invest in a project like this and find out that we were wrong.
>>> Frankly, we would be out of business."
>>> 
>>> I guess there's no hope for us. Still I wonder whether money really is
>>> such a big issue in this case. Sure, Midi Quest with its more than 700
>>> instruments is a pretty big program, but from personal experience I
>>> know that lack of money is often used as an excuse. After all, it's a
>>> lot easier to say that we don't have the resources to do it than to go
>>> and do something about it. Than again this only my perception and I
>>> might be wrong.
>>> Be as it may, it's very unfortunate that there is practically zero
>>> accessibility when it comes to this kind of software.
>>> 
>>> All the best
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>>> 2016-01-04 15:05 GMT+01:00, Matej Golian <matej.golian at gmail.com>:
>>>> Hi, thanks for your response.
>>>> I think we're in a similar situation. On Windows I can audition,
>>>> delete, clear and perhaps ecen copy and paste the patches of my synth,
>>>> but so far I haven't found out how to edit them. Hope it's possible.
>>>> If not, I guess it makes no difference whether one's running Mac or
>>>> Windows.
>>>> Thanks again
>>>> Matej
>>>> 
>>>> 2016-01-04 14:51 GMT+01:00, Delaunay Christophe
>>>> <christophe.delaunay at technicolor.com>:
>>>>> Hi Matej and all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I tried its mac OS version on my mac but could not use it with VO.
>>>>> Therefore, I am still desperately looking for a midi librarian to handle
>>>>> my
>>>>> hardware devices. Could a good reaper plugin do such a job?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have a nice day and happy new year. ChD
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Matej
>>>>> Golian
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 2:27 PM
>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>> Subject: [Rwp] Off-topic: Does Anyone Have Midi Quest by Sound Quest?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sorry for this off-topic question, but I can't think of a better place
>>>>> to ask it.
>>>>> Does anyone know whether the program Midi Quest developed by Sound
>>>>> Quest is accessible?
>>>>> I'm testing it right now and so far it's pretty good (thanks to NVDA's
>>>>> screen review). Has anyone had any experience with this program?
>>>>> Many thanks.
>>>>> Matej
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