[Rwp] some thoughts for the keymap development and things and stuff

Justin justinmacleod at hotmail.com
Sat Feb 27 19:37:31 EST 2016 

I use win and shift as a modifier. Chicken Nugget uses control win a lot 
so I already avoided that, even though I'm running Windows 8.1,

Justin

On 27/02/2016 23:12, Chris Belle wrote:
> Nice ones.
>
> I'll share my short cuts with any one who wants them, only have a few 
> now, but the ones that might be most useful are the consolidated 
> actions for automation with volume and  pan and such,
> for the alt down and up arrows and such,
> doing them 20 times in one go for a 1 db up or down,
> it's not hard to make these actions, but that dialogue isn't the most 
> intuitive thing in the world 'smile'.
> Also my fx up and down in a chain, those are very handy.
> But Patrick warned me about the using the win key for windows 10,
> so I should probably re-map those to other keys.
>
>
> On 2/27/2016 4:51 PM, onlineeagle via RWP wrote:
>> Ok, here are my actions which I think are really useful, and will be 
>> useful for others too.
>> The first action is "Item: remove selected area of items." I've 
>> assigned this to control backspace. Alt delete would also work well.
>> Second action: "Copy selected area of items." I've mapped that to 
>> control alt C.
>> Third is: "Cut selected area of items." Control alt X is taken with 
>> the Media Explorer, so I've gone for Control Alt Backspace.
>> These three actions are really useful for me. Basically, you can use 
>> Reaper like Sonar, making a time selection and coppying, cutting and 
>> deleting. I love splitting items, but sometimes it's good to be able 
>> to select multiple tracks and use alt left left and right bracket to 
>> select and then delete, cut or copy the content.
>> The other two actions I use all the time are: "Item: fade items into 
>> cursor." I've assigned this to control alt shift I. "Item, fade items 
>> out from cursor" is assigned to control alt shift O.
>> They are the main ones. I mentioned my item pitch items before, but 
>> these are less essential for most users.
>> Control alt shift 9 to pitch item down an octave, an control alt 
>> shift 0 to pitch up an octave. Control alt shift dash to reset item 
>> pitch. Hope these help. They certainly help me.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 27 Feb 2016, at 14:58, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, aI answered my own question, it takes two presses of the enter 
>>> key, but in the case of an fx send if you arrow up to the top of the 
>>> combo box and enter twice at the heading part, you don't insert 
>>> anything.
>>> This is good enough.
>>> Nice.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 2/27/2016 7:20 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>> I guess i was taking expanding the combo box as one thing, and the 
>>>> populating as another.
>>>> two different points.
>>>> Anyway, it's all good.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/27/2016 6:48 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>> FYI, it wasn't Jamie that bamboozled you with ambiguity.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jamie asked: does alt+downArrow help to expand the combo box?
>>>>> Scott said: just tested expanding with Alt+Down arrow here, and it
>>>>> does seem to work as expected nowadays.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure where the ambiguity is in the context of what was being
>>>>> discussed, but glad it worked for you (two out of three times 
>>>>> anyway).
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/27/16, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Ok, I did read those, but I don't remember you  saying it 
>>>>>> specifically
>>>>>> didn't populate if you did nothing.
>>>>>> Making a general statement like the combo box expands properly
>>>>>>    doesn't
>>>>>> give specific information so I had no idea if you meant it didn't
>>>>>> populate automatically anymore
>>>>>> Ok, in context, it might have been infered,
>>>>>> It was rather ambiguous 'smile'.
>>>>>> Anyway, if this is what you mean, then thank you kindly I am 
>>>>>> informed now.
>>>>>> Also one of my bad habbits is
>>>>>> to read messages from the bottom,
>>>>>> I had a filter with messages going from Osara and then the reaper 
>>>>>> list
>>>>>> to different folders,
>>>>>> but they are sort of getting mixed up and I haven't fixed it yet, so
>>>>>> I've been going back and forth between two mail folders
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/27/2016 3:30 AM, James Teh wrote:
>>>>>>> Think you missed a message. Can't imagine why on this list. Haha.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, the option we were discussing doesn't help... but 
>>>>>>> there's no need
>>>>>>> because the combo box expands properly in recent versions of 
>>>>>>> REAPER. So,
>>>>>>> press alt+downArrow, select what you want without any rush and 
>>>>>>> press
>>>>>>> enter. Done, problem solved.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from a mobile device
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 27 Feb 2016, at 5:51 PM, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeh, I'll try and find the action that makes it not populate if 
>>>>>>>> you stand
>>>>>>>> still.
>>>>>>>> That's the part that drives me nuts.
>>>>>>>> If anyone figures out where that setting resides, please holler.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2/26/2016 5:41 PM, James Teh wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The improvements coming in the next version of REAPER don't 
>>>>>>>>> change the
>>>>>>>>> way you deal with outputs in any way. That's already 
>>>>>>>>> accessible; it's
>>>>>>>>> just a combo box. I'm guessing the issue is that it commits 
>>>>>>>>> the change
>>>>>>>>> after a short delay even if you just happened to pause and 
>>>>>>>>> haven't
>>>>>>>>> finished selecting yet? If so, I wonder if disabling the pref for
>>>>>>>>> committing changes automatically after delay (can't remember 
>>>>>>>>> the exact
>>>>>>>>> name offhand) would help. Also, does alt+downArrow help to 
>>>>>>>>> expand the
>>>>>>>>> combo box first? I'll have to check that when in front of REAPER.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Output selection can't really be in the track context menu 
>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>> unlike input selection, it relates to routing. By default, REAPER
>>>>>>>>> outputs to the master. In contrast, in Sonar, you have to 
>>>>>>>>> select an
>>>>>>>>> output (or accept the default). That automatic master 
>>>>>>>>> track/bus doesn't
>>>>>>>>> exist in quite the same way AFAIK.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regarding multi-press, one other possibility worth noting is 
>>>>>>>>> that we
>>>>>>>>> could have certain actions that open context menus for choice. 
>>>>>>>>> As long
>>>>>>>>> as each menu item starts with a different letter, that means 
>>>>>>>>> just two
>>>>>>>>> keystrokes for anything in that menu. This trick also means 
>>>>>>>>> you don't
>>>>>>>>> have to memorise the second keystroke; you can use the arrows 
>>>>>>>>> if you
>>>>>>>>> forget it. Just something else to consider when thinking about 
>>>>>>>>> lesser
>>>>>>>>> used (but still useful) actions we might want in the default 
>>>>>>>>> map. THIS
>>>>>>>>> isn't a 1 minute coding job, but it's not too bad if it offers 
>>>>>>>>> a serious
>>>>>>>>> advantage.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from a mobile device
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 27 Feb 2016, at 8:59 AM, Scott Chesworth 
>>>>>>>>>> <scottchesworth at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Multi-press with OSARA can and has been done, but isn't 
>>>>>>>>>> trivial, and
>>>>>>>>>> given that Jamie is already over budget on the amount of 
>>>>>>>>>> hours that've
>>>>>>>>>> been devoted to development, it'll be unlikely that the 
>>>>>>>>>> system you're
>>>>>>>>>> describing will be part of OSARA. That's not to say a flat no to
>>>>>>>>>> everything multi-press. You know the drill, submit examples 
>>>>>>>>>> to GitHub
>>>>>>>>>> and he'll take them on a case by case basis. Similarly, the 
>>>>>>>>>> focus of
>>>>>>>>>> Jamie's dialog with Cockos themselves has to be on changes 
>>>>>>>>>> that will
>>>>>>>>>> improve accessibility for all users, rather than things that 
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>> extend possibilities specifically for power users, tempting 
>>>>>>>>>> as it is.
>>>>>>>>>> Jamie has already gotten them to add some new API 
>>>>>>>>>> functionality and
>>>>>>>>>> spent some hours fighting with his own code to get around one 
>>>>>>>>>> of our
>>>>>>>>>> most lamented limitations, so it's already a dialog that's 
>>>>>>>>>> baring
>>>>>>>>>> fruit. The result will be with you soon.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For what it's worth, I believe that you're right about 
>>>>>>>>>> sighted power
>>>>>>>>>> users making use of this if it were tied in with screen sets. 
>>>>>>>>>> I'd say
>>>>>>>>>> it's fairly likely to get some traction on the forum, but for 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> reasons above, it's not something I'll encourage Jamie to 
>>>>>>>>>> take direct
>>>>>>>>>> to Cockos at this point without a concrete design that would be
>>>>>>>>>> massively beneficial to all OSARA users, particularly those 
>>>>>>>>>> who are
>>>>>>>>>> just making the switch to Reaper. There's nothing to stop you 
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> asking him instead of course, but I'll eat a print out of my 
>>>>>>>>>> Reaper
>>>>>>>>>> license if he sees it as high priority. There are rough edges 
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> need to be rounded off with Reaper's accessibility, and IMO, his
>>>>>>>>>> priority should be helping them fix existing 
>>>>>>>>>> bugs/limitations, as well
>>>>>>>>>> as a side salad of helping the Cockos development team 
>>>>>>>>>> understand more
>>>>>>>>>> about how the stuff they're implementing actually affects 
>>>>>>>>>> users, hence
>>>>>>>>>> future-proofing our access to Reaper.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry to be a stick in the mud. There's just not enough money 
>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>> pot to have His Geniusness coding indefinitely, so some 
>>>>>>>>>> judiciousness
>>>>>>>>>> is required.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My focus right now is on trying to come up with a concept that'd
>>>>>>>>>> neaten up the mappings that come bundled with OSARA, because 
>>>>>>>>>> almost
>>>>>>>>>> everyone will be using those from day 1. If anyone has a 
>>>>>>>>>> system in
>>>>>>>>>> mind that follows a clearer logic and uses less keys than 
>>>>>>>>>> what we're
>>>>>>>>>> currently bundling, I'm all ears. I have a few ideas that I'm 
>>>>>>>>>> fleshing
>>>>>>>>>> out here at the moment, but none of them feel like a 
>>>>>>>>>> game-changer yet,
>>>>>>>>>> so I'm eager for community input from a wide range of users. 
>>>>>>>>>> For now,
>>>>>>>>>> keep this on RWP rather than GitHub so the most amount of 
>>>>>>>>>> people can
>>>>>>>>>> read and contribute.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the last paragraph is in no way a diss on the effort 
>>>>>>>>>> that Derek
>>>>>>>>>> and Gianluca have put in to the D&G key map. I use it every 
>>>>>>>>>> day, dig
>>>>>>>>>> most of it, and was quietly amazed at what Gianluca cooked up 
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> editing MIDI in particular. All I'm saying is that I think 
>>>>>>>>>> we've stuck
>>>>>>>>>> with the ReaAccess similarity because power users were familiar,
>>>>>>>>>> rather than sticking with it because it was a logical, 
>>>>>>>>>> extendable map.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm keen to have a less steep learning curve for newbies, 
>>>>>>>>>> even if it
>>>>>>>>>> means attempting to reprogram my own rusty old tin box of a 
>>>>>>>>>> brain and
>>>>>>>>>> consequently making me less productive for a few weeks while the
>>>>>>>>>> muscle memory develops.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/26/16, Justin <justinmacleod at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> the only way it would simplify things, though I think it is 
>>>>>>>>>>> a crucial
>>>>>>>>>>> one, is allowing us to get more milage out of the limited 
>>>>>>>>>>> number of
>>>>>>>>>>> keys
>>>>>>>>>>> we have available.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The thing is that this wouldn't be any extra work for Derek, 
>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie,
>>>>>>>>>>> Genluka or anyone, just provide users with the ability to 
>>>>>>>>>>> create
>>>>>>>>>>> multiple keyboard profiles and they can do with it as they 
>>>>>>>>>>> will.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Let's say for example I am dealing with a project that is 
>>>>>>>>>>> very send
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> effects chain heavy. SWS provides actions to do such and 
>>>>>>>>>>> such to this
>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>> that numbered send and this and that numbered slot in the 
>>>>>>>>>>> effects
>>>>>>>>>>> chain.
>>>>>>>>>>> Well I would need to do a lot of this for this particular 
>>>>>>>>>>> type of
>>>>>>>>>>> project, but then let's say I do other work that requires a 
>>>>>>>>>>> lot of
>>>>>>>>>>> working with regions and markers. With keyboard sets, I 
>>>>>>>>>>> could have a
>>>>>>>>>>> template for one type of project, devoting my number row to 
>>>>>>>>>>> sends, and
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> template that's more navigation focussed, where the number 
>>>>>>>>>>> row is
>>>>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>>>>> for markers and regions etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the only other two ways I can think of to get round this 
>>>>>>>>>>> problem are
>>>>>>>>>>> either for Jamie to implement user-defined multi-press 
>>>>>>>>>>> key-mapping in
>>>>>>>>>>> the same way ReaEar does, though ReaEar's implementation isn't
>>>>>>>>>>> flaweless, or for us to just keep going til e run out of 
>>>>>>>>>>> keys and
>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>> people just have to winnow out what they personally don't 
>>>>>>>>>>> use for
>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, keeping only the most used key-bindings.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The advantage of Reaper implementing it instead of Jamie is 
>>>>>>>>>>> that it'd
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> less work for him and sighted people would benefit too. Lots 
>>>>>>>>>>> do make
>>>>>>>>>>> heavy use of the shortcut keys,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/02/2016 20:45, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Justin, and anyone else who's interested in a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> multi-layer key
>>>>>>>>>>>> map
>>>>>>>>>>>> or keyboard sets,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I might as well say that as things stand I'm not a fan of this
>>>>>>>>>>>> concept, because I've never seen it implemented in such a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> way that
>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't end up being just as confusing as the sprawling 
>>>>>>>>>>>> mappings it
>>>>>>>>>>>> was intended to simplify. That said, if anyone shoots over 
>>>>>>>>>>>> fleshed
>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>> examples of precisely how this would simplify things, I'd 
>>>>>>>>>>>> gladly eat
>>>>>>>>>>>> my words, and can currently make sure it'll get seen by 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cockos.
>>>>>>>>>>>> That'd
>>>>>>>>>>>> give us at least a chance of getting the feature without the
>>>>>>>>>>>> drudgery
>>>>>>>>>>>> of voting on requests etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/26/16, Justin <justinmacleod at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sighted people have access to different screensets, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> presumably
>>>>>>>>>>>>> allow them to use Reaper in multiple visual 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> configurations. what we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> really need are keyboard sets, which would allow multiple 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shortcut
>>>>>>>>>>>>> key
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bindings for different scenarioes. We could start a thread 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature requests forum asking for it, pointing out the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefits to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted people and supporting one another in the request,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/02/2016 18:42, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeh, it's funny about that stuff, and what we get used to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm kind of just the opposite on the IPad,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought I'd really want a bluetooth keyboard, but with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the short
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time I've spent on iOS,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've become quite comfortable flipping and swiping my way 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> typing on a virtual keyboard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't want to write
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my memoirs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on it 'grin', but hey, for modest data entry it's not so 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But getting back to reaper,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if there's a way to make it distinguish between 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboards as separate devices.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Probably not,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but if it could, then that's a big possibility for a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> layer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of action bindings.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/26/2016 10:30 AM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have an old Dell laptop from 2009 that I have upgraded 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a core2 duo T9600. I stuck 8GB of ram, a 240GB SSD and an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 802.11AC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wireless card in it, all of which I had lying around, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not, and it runs pretty good as a casual stuff machine. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> firewire controller if I need that. That one has a virtual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> numpad,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but my main laptop doesn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given that I've been primarily using laptops or Mac 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desktops for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past few years, it's kind of strange to see a full desktop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm all like "Oh, right... that extra bunch of keys over 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forgot about those..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/26/2016 11:14 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ah, I'm the neanderthal here, I just insist on an old 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> style
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even when using a laptop, I found out long time ago it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of a pain to deal with the limitations of not having 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those extra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I have a couple of USB numeric key pad thingies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which are a good compromise when I just can't haul 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/26/2016 8:20 AM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep. No numpad either, so I have mapped a bunch of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> numpad things I use to other keys that would probably 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sense to anyone but me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/26/2016 8:59 AM, Juan Pablo Bello wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking we need a better way to structure 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things.. on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keymaps.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THere is just no way I am ever going to be able to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> numeric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keypad on this laptop, because it just does not even 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emulation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> built in. Its just unacceptable, but that is theway 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it came I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i am not alone on that department. Or, I would just 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to buy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use a separate keyboard..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, nice going with the portable installs, I think 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unnecessary since you are able to create and automate 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its better to have just created a script and automate 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> select
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your audiod evices ETC when you first launch it... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ETC because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several installs of the program I think is a bit 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convoluted at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2016-02-26 3:22 GMT-05:00, Patrick Perdue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <patrick at pdaudio.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just so you know, control win anything is not viable in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows does a lot more now with, go figure...  the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> key.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/26/2016 3:19 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's been a lot of talk about how we are running 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> room
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keymap.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've noticed some duplications, first we should 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weed those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also have some very useful actions that I use all 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depending
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on what you do you may not want these but these are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one's I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actions to move fx up and down in the chain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I bind those to control win up and down arrows.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      I also like the one for turning markers to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regions for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exporting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chunks of a long project, like audio books and such.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control win m
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When you do that you can set your render options to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> export
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think reaper lends itself especially well to long 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spoken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> word
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audio book type projects, and I often have a couple of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> portable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> copies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or reaper rendering out long jobs while another 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaper copy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hence my  reasons for loving portable reaper 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same machine,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> \with it's own config doing tasks while your doing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another instance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can of course, instantiate a reaper instance  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> typing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> path to the executable in the run box with the - 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> newinst
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> switch, but if you copy the folder to a new place with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can have another configuration like for dummy 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audio for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rendering jobs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or another sound card for recording, and leave it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I have reaper1, reaper2, and so on and so forth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not always that complex, but it's nice to know I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can do that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There you go, for what it's worth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> \
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