[Rwp] some thoughts for the keymap development and things and stuff

Chris Belle cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
Sat Feb 27 02:50:04 EST 2016 

Well, multiple key maps is just a matter of keeping several copies of 
the lay out file around and passing them around right?

Importing them and swapping them out as needed?
If we fix our actions to reside in the actions menu we can even see them 
in there if we forget keys.

On 2/26/2016 3:44 PM, Justin wrote:
> the only way it would simplify things, though I think it is a crucial 
> one, is allowing us to get more milage out of the limited number of 
> keys we have available.
>
> The thing is that this wouldn't be any extra work for Derek, Jamie, 
> Genluka or anyone, just provide users with the ability to create 
> multiple keyboard profiles and they can do with it as they will.
>
> Let's say for example I am dealing with a project that is very send 
> and effects chain heavy. SWS provides actions to do such and such to 
> this or that numbered send and this and that numbered slot in the 
> effects chain. Well I would need to do a lot of this for this 
> particular type of project, but then let's say I do other work that 
> requires a lot of working with regions and markers. With keyboard 
> sets, I could have a template for one type of project, devoting my 
> number row to sends, and a template that's more navigation focussed, 
> where the number row is used for markers and regions etc.
>
> the only other two ways I can think of to get round this problem are 
> either for Jamie to implement user-defined multi-press key-mapping in 
> the same way ReaEar does, though ReaEar's implementation isn't 
> flaweless, or for us to just keep going til e run out of keys and then 
> people just have to winnow out what they personally don't use for 
> themselves, keeping only the most used key-bindings.
>
> The advantage of Reaper implementing it instead of Jamie is that it'd 
> be less work for him and sighted people would benefit too. Lots do 
> make heavy use of the shortcut keys,
>
> Justin
>
> On 26/02/2016 20:45, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>> Hey Justin, and anyone else who's interested in a multi-layer key map
>> or keyboard sets,
>>
>> I might as well say that as things stand I'm not a fan of this
>> concept, because I've never seen it implemented in such a way that
>> doesn't end up being just as confusing as the sprawling mappings it
>> was intended to simplify. That said, if anyone shoots over fleshed out
>> examples of precisely how this would simplify things, I'd gladly eat
>> my words, and can currently make sure it'll get seen by Cockos. That'd
>> give us at least a chance of getting the feature without the drudgery
>> of voting on requests etc.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> On 2/26/16, Justin <justinmacleod at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Sighted people have access to different screensets, which presumably
>>> allow them to use Reaper in multiple visual configurations. what we
>>> really need are keyboard sets, which would allow multiple shortcut key
>>> bindings for different scenarioes. We could start a thread on the
>>> feature requests forum asking for it, pointing out the benefits to
>>> sighted people and supporting one another in the request,
>>>
>>> Justin
>>>
>>> On 26/02/2016 18:42, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>> Yeh, it's funny about that stuff, and what we get used to.
>>>> I'm kind of just the opposite on the IPad,
>>>> I thought I'd really want a bluetooth keyboard, but with the short
>>>> time I've spent on iOS,
>>>> I've become quite comfortable flipping and swiping my way around and
>>>> typing on a virtual keyboard.
>>>> I wouldn't want to write
>>>> my memoirs
>>>> on it 'grin', but hey, for modest data entry it's not so bad.
>>>> But getting back to reaper,
>>>> I wonder if there's a way to make it distinguish between different
>>>> keyboards as separate devices.
>>>> Probably not,
>>>> but if it could, then that's a big possibility for a whole other layer
>>>> of action bindings.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/26/2016 10:30 AM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>>> I have an old Dell laptop from 2009 that I have upgraded a bit. It's
>>>>> a core2 duo T9600. I stuck 8GB of ram, a 240GB SSD and an 802.11AC
>>>>> wireless card in it, all of which I had lying around, believe it or
>>>>> not, and it runs pretty good as a casual stuff machine. It even has a
>>>>> firewire controller if I need that. That one has a virtual numpad,
>>>>> but my main laptop doesn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given that I've been primarily using laptops or Mac desktops for the
>>>>> past few years, it's kind of strange to see a full desktop keyboard.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm all like "Oh, right... that extra bunch of keys over there...
>>>>> Forgot about those..."
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/26/2016 11:14 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>>> Ah, I'm the neanderthal here, I just insist on an old style 
>>>>>> keyboard,
>>>>>> even when using a laptop, I found out long time ago it was just too
>>>>>> much
>>>>>> of a pain to deal with the limitations of not having those extra 
>>>>>> keys,
>>>>>> and I have a couple of USB numeric key pad thingies
>>>>>> which are a good compromise when I just can't haul around a 
>>>>>> keyboard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/26/2016 8:20 AM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>>>>> Yep. No numpad either, so I have mapped a bunch of the most common
>>>>>>> numpad things I use to other keys that would probably not make much
>>>>>>> sense to anyone but me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/26/2016 8:59 AM, Juan Pablo Bello wrote:
>>>>>>>> I was thinking we need a better way to structure things.. on 
>>>>>>>> keymaps.
>>>>>>>> THere is just no way I am ever going to be able to use the numeric
>>>>>>>> keypad on this laptop, because it just does not even have an
>>>>>>>> emulation
>>>>>>>> built in. Its just unacceptable, but that is theway it came I I 
>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>> i am not alone on that department. Or, I would just have to buy 
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> use a separate keyboard..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And, nice going with the portable installs, I think that is just a
>>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>> unnecessary since you are able to create and automate reaper 
>>>>>>>> things..
>>>>>>>> its better to have just created a script and automate reaper to
>>>>>>>> select
>>>>>>>> your audiod evices ETC when you first launch it... ETC because 
>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>> several installs of the program I think is a bit convoluted at 
>>>>>>>> best.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2016-02-26 3:22 GMT-05:00, Patrick Perdue <patrick at pdaudio.net>:
>>>>>>>>> Chris:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just so you know, control win anything is not viable in 
>>>>>>>>> Windows 10.
>>>>>>>>> Windows does a lot more now with, go figure... the windows key.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2/26/2016 3:19 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> There's been a lot of talk about how we are running out of room
>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>> keymap.
>>>>>>>>>> I've noticed some duplications, first we should weed those out.
>>>>>>>>>> I also have some very useful actions that I use all the time,
>>>>>>>>>> depending
>>>>>>>>>> on what you do you may not want these but these are some of the
>>>>>>>>>> one's I
>>>>>>>>>> bind.
>>>>>>>>>> Actions to move fx up and down in the chain.
>>>>>>>>>> I bind those to control win up and down arrows.
>>>>>>>>>>     I also like the one for turning markers to regions for 
>>>>>>>>>> exporting
>>>>>>>>>> chunks of a long project, like audio books and such.
>>>>>>>>>> control win m
>>>>>>>>>> When you do that you can set your render options to export 
>>>>>>>>>> regions,
>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>> useful.
>>>>>>>>>> I think reaper lends itself especially well to long spoken 
>>>>>>>>>> word and
>>>>>>>>>> audio book type projects, and I often have a couple of portable
>>>>>>>>>> copies
>>>>>>>>>> or reaper rendering out long jobs while another reaper copy is
>>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>>> something else.
>>>>>>>>>> Hence my  reasons for loving portable reaper because each can
>>>>>>>>>> live on
>>>>>>>>>> the same machine,
>>>>>>>>>> \with it's own config doing tasks while your doing something
>>>>>>>>>> else with
>>>>>>>>>> another instance.
>>>>>>>>>> You can of course, instantiate a reaper instance  by just typing
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> path to the executable in the run box with the - newinst
>>>>>>>>>> switch, but if you copy the folder to a new place with another
>>>>>>>>>> name,
>>>>>>>>>> you can have another configuration like for dummy audio for 
>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>> rendering jobs,
>>>>>>>>>> or another sound card for recording, and leave it like that.
>>>>>>>>>> So I have reaper1, reaper2, and so on and so forth
>>>>>>>>>> not always that complex, but it's nice to know I can do that if
>>>>>>>>>> I need
>>>>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>>>>> There you go, for what it's worth.
>>>>>>>>>> \
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