[Rwp] PreSonus mixers.

[Chris Belle]

Just to add a little something to Patrick's excellent post,
any digital mixer will inherently have a small amount of latency.
I might be very small, but because the data must be buffered, it can't 
be avoided.
with an analog mixer, you get 0 latency
I'm not talking about latency with going from the digital to analog 
converters, and back, but inside the board itself.
Because they are honest to goodness analog circuits which connect 
everything.
But you give up the possibility of a lot of dsp based fx and extra routing,
extra routing and all in analog land is expensive, and takes up more space,
it's a whole lot easier and cheaper to stamp chips than to make
analog circuits, even though most of them now are printed circuits, you 
still have resisters, and
real faders instead of digital controls and  the like,
even though you'd probably never hear that fine a detail you could make 
a technical argument about the smooth lenearity
of an analog fader vs the stepping and numerical progression of a 
digital fader,
yes, this is splitting hairs, because modern digital mixers have a lot 
of resolution.
But you know, people actually buy analog fader controls for their monitors
so they can get the smooth totally connected fade up and down with none 
of the stepping,
tube summing amps and the like,
which is another matter, but
having your sound go through analog circuits gives it that warm sound 
people are always after.
Now this can be a good or bad thing, depending on what you're after, it 
get's very subjective and personal,
but these are the compromises you get in to between an analog and 
digital board.

On 2/13/2016 2:56 AM, theoreomonster at reaperaccess.com wrote:
> Jus tout of curiosity what would you go with if you had to do it over again?
>
>> On Feb 13, 2016, at 3:41 AM, Patrick Perdue <patrick at pdaudio.net> wrote:
>>
>> I have been using a Presonus StudioLive 16.4.2 for the past six years. They have now been upgraded a bit in the AI series. Haven't had a chance to play with one of those yet.
>>
>> I like it over all. You can do 95% of everything you'd ever want to from the front panel of the board. Despite the fact that it's a digital mixer, everything is easy to get to. No menus within menus and huge amounts of pages to worry about. Lots of dedicated controls for things like routing to sends and subgroups. There are soft knobs, but everything is context sensitive.
>> I think they did a pretty good job of bridging the gap between something completely digital and a hands-on experience. Obviously, you will get a real analog experience with something like the Mackie Onyx or A&H Zed series, because they are true analog consoles with A/D and D/a, rather than the native digital state of the Presonus StudioLive, Behringer X32, A&H QU-24, and others in that class.
>>
>> There are a few things that must be done in the unfortunately inaccessible VSL software, such as taking the audio interface out of "safe mode." You can override the driver default and decrease the buffer latency within Reaper itself, and I've even managed to do it with NVDA and VSL, but by default, there is a safety which adds some latency.
>>
>> Also, there are some routing things that I, personally, like to change with each new driver or OS install, which may not be necessary for your setup, mostly useful for using the audio interface outside of a DAW.
>> This usually means I borrow a set of eyes for about a minute to drag a couple of things around, then forget about it until the next time I need to reinstall the OS.
>>
>> However, I'm not sure if I would go with another StudioLive if I were to buy a new digital board now, or a Behringer X32 producer. I like the idea of the x32, but some things about it really put me off, too. I guess I'd have to really play with one.
>>
>> On 2/12/2016 7:45 PM, Dan wrote:
>>> Patric do you like the PreSonus mixers? I've been looking at the 16.4.2. Just wondering about your thoughts?.PreSonus mixers  Dan
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