[Rwp] different driver modes in reaper

Tue Apr 19 22:56:01 EDT 2016

digital, digital, digital, digital,. digital.
Analog is just old school.  Dull and boring, and not very interesting 
either. Oh boy.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 2:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Rwp] different driver modes in reaper

> Not a good move on apple's part in my oppinion.
> I guess they'll have to have some sort of external dac or adapter so folks 
> can run other than apple sanctioned or bluetooth
> audio.
> They really should at least leave you a standard headphone or speaker out.
> I guess they'll have some sort of hub thing so you can charge your phone 
> or what ever and plug the adapter for standard headphones in at the same 
> time.
> Meh.
>
> On 4/18/2016 7:52 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:
>> True, and, since Apple is ditching analog audio I/O, I doubt it will ever 
>> be fixed.
>>
>> Bryan
>>
>>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 8:46 PM, Patrick Perdue <patrick at perdue.audio> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You know what's kind of funny? Obviously, you'll get some cross talk 
>>> with a combo mic/headphone jack like that, but it seems like the 
>>> jacks/chips Apple use on all their stuff (iPhone, iPad, Macs) are some 
>>> of the worst offenders. I have a junky low-end Acer Windows tablet with 
>>> one of these combo jacks, and cross talk is almost, but not quite 
>>> non-existent. With the same ear pods on my iPhone or Mac, it's 
>>> noticeably much worse. The iStuff uses Cirrus Logic DAC's, while the 
>>> cheap Acer uses an integrated Intel something-or-other. Of course, in 
>>> this case, the D/A stage is not to blame.
>>>
>>> Just an interesting thing.
>>>
>>> On 4/18/2016 8:04 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:
>>>> I’ve been doing this for a while. Built-in sound device on my Macbook 
>>>> Air works in WSAPI mode with practically no latency. You can have junky 
>>>> sequencing sessions with just the laptop, virtual MIDI keyboard, and 
>>>> earbuds plugged in. I’d actually consider using the earbuds mic for 
>>>> something, but the combo earbuds jack leaks sound from the earbuds back 
>>>> in to the mic, so I still must plug in a dedicated mic to record a 
>>>> vocal/voice over. Oh well. Can’t have it all.
>>>>
>>>> Bryan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 1:03 PM, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well wonders will never cease.
>>>>> I think with windows 10 we've finally got something approaching note I 
>>>>> said approaching core audio low latency with junky internal devices.
>>>>> Just took wasapi for a spin,
>>>>> and it works better on this machine than my nice steinberg interface, 
>>>>> I think I'm going to go sit in the corner and cry, ha.
>>>>> But serious now, this is great, it means you can now do casual things 
>>>>> with the onboard hardware and work at low latencies, and that's not a 
>>>>> reason to be trying to do all yourstudio stuff like that because 
>>>>> plenty of reasons not to record with those little 8th inch jacks for 
>>>>> pro stuf, and the internal realtech device is hardy a pro device, but 
>>>>> mixing on the bus, or throwing together some casual midi tracks, this 
>>>>> will make it nicer to do such things in windows.
>>>>> finally,
>>>>> wasapi was in windows 7 but it had lots of latency.
>>>>> so I didn't solve my problem yet, but I did get a couple candy drops 
>>>>> for upgrading to windows 10 so hey,
>>>>> hurray for wasapi how ever far it get's us.
>>>>> Now I'm really curious since I think these realtech cards will 
>>>>> actually support up to 96k and 24 bit if it will actualy record like 
>>>>> that does reaper give a round trip latency like sonar does anyplace?
>>>>> somewhere in the audio device
>>>>> dialogue?
>>>>> It says 0 latency in there when you are setting your buffer size, but 
>>>>> it can'treally be that.
>>>>> There's always some since any audio system is a buffered system.
>>>>> but I took out everything and it keeps putting 32 back in there.
>>>>> so if we're really getting 32 buffers under wasapi,
>>>>> and if it's buffered similar to asio that's prety impressive for a 
>>>>> garden variety internal card.
>>>>> Don't make the mistake like I did of picking exclusive mode, and 
>>>>> especially if you only have one sound card in the system,
>>>>> your speech will go away and you might have to do sumersaults to get 
>>>>> it back.
>>>>> Luckily, I have lots of devices around here, every blindy needs to 
>>>>> keep around some class compliant devices for this sort of issue,
>>>>> I pulled a good one the other day I was gonna disable the intel sound 
>>>>> for the
>>>>> high definition audio that comes on most display chips these days, you 
>>>>> don't need it and it's best not to be taking up resources with an 
>>>>> audio driver you'll probably never use.
>>>>> But I got in a hurry and disabled the main sound card on my wife's 
>>>>> laptop,
>>>>> so luckily I got speech going again with good old narrator and a thumb 
>>>>> drive like class compliant USB sound card.
>>>>> anything will work, like logitech headphones, or USB speakers, so long 
>>>>> as they're class compliant.
>>>>> Well, fun times again.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/18/2016 11:19 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>>> Well, I tried out another USB interface I have here, and also the 
>>>>>> steinberg in sonar, and well, I think that for what ever reason, the 
>>>>>> audio system on this machine is dogging down in windows 10.
>>>>>> How ever, on my explorations, I've discovered somem interesting 
>>>>>> things.
>>>>>> I didn't think reaper really supported wdm as an option,
>>>>>> but when I was testing the presonus audiobox USB, it showed up, and 
>>>>>> lo and behold, it works like sonar does with class compliant devices 
>>>>>> now, and
>>>>>> you're able to change buffer sizes and such in a really accessible 
>>>>>> way.
>>>>>> Now wdm I think with class compliant devices is usually limited to 
>>>>>> 44.1 or 48k depending, and 16 bit, so I usually don't bother with it 
>>>>>> you get better results with asio anyway,
>>>>>> and it's usually more stable, and generally a more professional 
>>>>>> system, but it's nice to see that reaper now allows this sort of 
>>>>>> support for other driver modes.
>>>>>> Just for giggles, I'm going to see if it shows up for the internal 
>>>>>> card.
>>>>>> The other reason I'm interested in this generic mode of wdm is that 
>>>>>> the asio pannel in the audiobox USB didn't show a thing with NVDA so 
>>>>>> I'm going to have to try it with another screen reader,
>>>>>> because I can't change a thing in there, and  it's set to some 
>>>>>> ridiculously relaxed place llike 512 or 1024 from the way it acts.
>>>>>> Fun times.
>>>>>>
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