[Rwp] different driver modes in reaper

Tue Apr 19 03:04:34 EDT 2016

The mistake most make with sonar is not giving it the hardware it likes.
that is more important than most folks realize,
but if you do that, sonar runs very smoothly and trouble free.
Also reaper is not without it's issues, though I have fallen in love 
with this crazy little dirt bike of a DAW,
it is fleet and flexible, and offers us things none of the other DAW's 
do like editable automation and so much more, but in some areas it's 
still primitive and falls behind sonar even the older version.
I also think vst stability and compatibility has a ways to go, was just 
talking to Jim Roseberry about this
I have plugs which will run in sonar but crash in reaper,
and what's funny is that sometimes even though it's gotten better, you 
still have to do more than one scan to get plugs to show up.
reaper is coming on strong, and I'm excited about the future with it.
I'm fully engaged 'grin'.
I did buy the sonar platinum last year the next step after x3, but 
accessibility is not being developed for sonar
John Martyn says he's going to revisit it but lord knows when, so we 
need something modern now so that's why I am going the reaper route.
Now we have Steve looking for beta testers for samplitude,
which him and Tim have been working on, and Ross is still making noise 
about cubass, and we have all the supposed wonderful things happemning 
in pro-tools land,
so now is not such a bad time to be doing this,
but I think the thing about reaper is that it will be accessible and 
affordable to more people than any other tools, despite it's short comings.
I love the whole shareware model and the trust factor,
and how fast development goes, you just can't get that with big 
companies who have to have a board meeting to discuss how many rolls of 
toilet paper they are going to requsition for the men's room,
and have another meeting to decide how many times is  appropriate to wipe.
'grin'.

So, fun times.

On 4/18/2016 11:06 PM, Keith Hinton wrote:
> Chris, just a guess my ding dong belle friend, LOL :). The reason that
> you get errors and latency in Sonar is because frankly Sonar is a
> bloated pile of melted plastic trashcans with rubber hoses sticking
> out of them! Grin.
>
>   I can't say if the new X1 or whatever they call it is any better or
> not than 8.53 in this regard.
> Do you know if the engine Chris since you've had some experience with
> the newer stuff somewhat has improved at all from the 8.5.x one?
> Maybe they finally got Wasapi to work just as nicely as it does in Reaper.
>
> But like I said to you off list once before, I think the reason Reaper
> got it on their first try is because they know what they're doing as a
> DAW manufacturer. Just my guess.
>
> On 4/18/16, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Works sweetly in reaper but sonar doesn't like it on this machine, I get
>> errors and latency.
>> Ah well,
>>
>>
>> On 4/18/2016 7:04 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:
>>> I’ve been doing this for a while. Built-in sound device on my Macbook Air
>>> works in WSAPI mode with practically no latency. You can have junky
>>> sequencing sessions with just the laptop, virtual MIDI keyboard, and
>>> earbuds plugged in. I’d actually consider using the earbuds mic for
>>> something, but the combo earbuds jack leaks sound from the earbuds back in
>>> to the mic, so I still must plug in a dedicated mic to record a
>>> vocal/voice over. Oh well. Can’t have it all.
>>>
>>> Bryan
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 1:03 PM, Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well wonders will never cease.
>>>> I think with windows 10 we've finally got something approaching note I
>>>> said approaching core audio low latency with junky internal devices.
>>>> Just took wasapi for a spin,
>>>> and it works better on this machine than my nice steinberg interface, I
>>>> think I'm going to go sit in the corner and cry, ha.
>>>> But serious now, this is great, it means you can now do casual things
>>>> with the onboard hardware and work at low latencies, and that's not a
>>>> reason to be trying to do all yourstudio stuff like that because plenty
>>>> of reasons not to record with those little 8th inch jacks for pro stuf,
>>>> and the internal realtech device is hardy a pro device, but mixing on the
>>>> bus, or throwing together some casual midi tracks, this will make it
>>>> nicer to do such things in windows.
>>>> finally,
>>>> wasapi was in windows 7 but it had lots of latency.
>>>> so I didn't solve my problem yet, but I did get a couple candy drops for
>>>> upgrading to windows 10 so hey,
>>>> hurray for wasapi how ever far it get's us.
>>>> Now I'm really curious since I think these realtech cards will actually
>>>> support up to 96k and 24 bit if it will actualy record like that does
>>>> reaper give a round trip latency like sonar does anyplace?
>>>> somewhere in the audio device
>>>> dialogue?
>>>> It says 0 latency in there when you are setting your buffer size, but it
>>>> can'treally be that.
>>>> There's always some since any audio system is a buffered system.
>>>> but I took out everything and it keeps putting 32 back in there.
>>>> so if we're really getting 32 buffers under wasapi,
>>>> and if it's buffered similar to asio that's prety impressive for a garden
>>>> variety internal card.
>>>> Don't make the mistake like I did of picking exclusive mode, and
>>>> especially if you only have one sound card in the system,
>>>> your speech will go away and you might have to do sumersaults to get it
>>>> back.
>>>> Luckily, I have lots of devices around here, every blindy needs to keep
>>>> around some class compliant devices for this sort of issue,
>>>> I pulled a good one the other day I was gonna disable the intel sound for
>>>> the
>>>> high definition audio that comes on most display chips these days, you
>>>> don't need it and it's best not to be taking up resources with an audio
>>>> driver you'll probably never use.
>>>> But I got in a hurry and disabled the main sound card on my wife's
>>>> laptop,
>>>> so luckily I got speech going again with good old narrator and a thumb
>>>> drive like class compliant USB sound card.
>>>> anything will work, like logitech headphones, or USB speakers, so long as
>>>> they're class compliant.
>>>> Well, fun times again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/18/2016 11:19 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>> Well, I tried out another USB interface I have here, and also the
>>>>> steinberg in sonar, and well, I think that for what ever reason, the
>>>>> audio system on this machine is dogging down in windows 10.
>>>>> How ever, on my explorations, I've discovered somem interesting things.
>>>>> I didn't think reaper really supported wdm as an option,
>>>>> but when I was testing the presonus audiobox USB, it showed up, and lo
>>>>> and behold, it works like sonar does with class compliant devices now,
>>>>> and
>>>>> you're able to change buffer sizes and such in a really accessible way.
>>>>> Now wdm I think with class compliant devices is usually limited to 44.1
>>>>> or 48k depending, and 16 bit, so I usually don't bother with it you get
>>>>> better results with asio anyway,
>>>>> and it's usually more stable, and generally a more professional system,
>>>>> but it's nice to see that reaper now allows this sort of support for
>>>>> other driver modes.
>>>>> Just for giggles, I'm going to see if it shows up for the internal card.
>>>>> The other reason I'm interested in this generic mode of wdm is that the
>>>>> asio pannel in the audiobox USB didn't show a thing with NVDA so I'm
>>>>> going to have to try it with another screen reader,
>>>>> because I can't change a thing in there, and  it's set to some
>>>>> ridiculously relaxed place llike 512 or 1024 from the way it acts.
>>>>> Fun times.
>>>>>
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