[Rwp] Automating effects

Mon Sep 7 19:11:07 EDT 2015

This might be a native reaper assignment because it also works in Osara.

Or GN luca mirrored what reaaccess does.

Now I don't understand why things like control shift up and down arrow 
which are bound to one db up and down won't work with automation but the 
alt down and up arrow does?

On 9/7/2015 6:03 PM, Justin Macleod via RWP wrote:
> You have to make the action yourself. Alt up and down bumps the volume by
> 0.05 DB in Rea Access and that's all you get. By making a chain of that
> action repeated ten times and assigning a shortcut key, I went for alt page
> up and alt page down, you have access to that increment or any other you
> wish for.
>
> Justin
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> RWP
> Sent: 07 September 2015 23:59
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> Cc: Snowman <snowman at snowmanradio.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Automating effects
>
> Cool.  thanks for that.
> So, is this a fixed action  that just bumps volume by 0.5?  That's what I
> was digging after, the name of that action, and whetehr there are other
> increments supported as well.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Justin Macleod via RWP" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
> To: "'Reapers Without Peepers'" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
> Cc: "Justin Macleod" <justinmacleod at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2015 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Automating effects
>
>
>> I'm afraid I can't describe it step by step without replicating the steps
>> myself but, when you press f4 to bring up the actions list, there is a new
>> button that will bring up a create custom action dialuge. You designate a
>> name for that action in the first edit box, then search in the second for
>> the first action you want to perform. Once you've typed in your search
>> term,
>> you can either drag it to the next list, which starts off empty, or I
>> believe you can copy and paste. So, if you want to raise the pitch of an
>> item by an octave say, you would need to drag/paste the same action into
>> the
>> second list 12 times. Tehre is a consolidate undo points checkbox so that
>> you can undo the whole chain if you check it with one undo.
>>
>> My custom action increases the volume by 0.5 DB instead of the default.
>> You
>> then just designate a shortcut and job done.
>>
>> Thing is, I can't get NVDA to read the contents of that list so it'll take
>> some experimenting with.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> Justin
>>
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>> RWP
>> Sent: 07 September 2015 22:05
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>> Cc: Snowman <snowman at snowmanradio.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Automating effects
>>
>> Justin,
>> You said:
>> "...had to create a custom action to
>> change the increments a key press would give me."
>>
>> Snowman again:  This would be very useful, this custom action.  How did
>> you
>> do this?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Justin Macleod via RWP" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>> To: "'Reapers Without Peepers'" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>> Cc: "Justin Macleod" <justinmacleod at hotmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2015 3:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Automating effects
>>
>>
>>> Trouble with alt up and down arrow is it only moves you in preset
>>> increments. If you want an exponential curve or something like that, it
>>> becomes very tricky and would require a lot of experimenting, even with
>>> the
>>> excellent tip of slowing down the play rate for finer work. I wanted
>>> about
>>> sixty DB of gain over a certain period and had to create a custom action
>>> to
>>> change the increments a key press would give me.
>>>
>>> Using the trim write mode, you can also automate the last touched
>>> parameter
>>> of any effect, but it is again quite difficult to control. The difference
>>> between cursor up and page up is huge!
>>>
>>> By hitting the param button in the effects dialogue and going to modulate
>>> parameters and fiddling about with the settings in there, , you can add
>>> LFOs
>>> of different shapes to pretty much any parameter, which would be used for
>>> some automation tasks, particularly as you can tempo sync the lfo.
>>>
>>> You could, in theory, get Reaper to establish tempo based on time
>>> selection,
>>> set your project tempo to that, add the effect to an item, set a
>>> tempo-synced saw wave lfo which would take the duration of the item to
>>> fully
>>> execute and thereby pan/fade/flange/phase whatever you wanted over the
>>> desired period, if that makes sense. Of course, the success of this
>>> method,
>>> as with all work-arounds, depends on the material you're working with and
>>> particularly the material that comes straight after it.
>>>
>>> Justin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Chris Belle
>>> via RWP
>>> Sent: 07 September 2015 19:45
>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>> Cc: Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Automating effects
>>>
>>> Well, one thing that does work is the volume up and down with alt down
>>> and
>>> up arrow.
>>>
>>> that particular action seems to honor the automation readand write modes.
>>>
>>> So one could make a send to a bus with your fx, and then if you automate
>>> the
>>> volume on the track you are in essence automating the return bus instead
>>> of
>>> the send.
>>>
>>> One guy on here says he got it to move by big amounts by slowing down
>>> reaper's playback so he could move a big distance in a small space, using
>>> the qwerty keyboard,
>>>
>>> One  thing you could do using the item based fake automation most folks
>>> do
>>> here for mixing volume and pan changes and such is to make a copy of your
>>> track one with all dry, and one with all wet with the fx you wanted.
>>>
>>> Then slice up and dice up your fx track and raise and lower the volume as
>>> you like, for instance you know it's common to use delay to repeat just a
>>> few words of a verse or chorus, you can raise the volume of jus that item
>>> slice, and then turn it down after that.
>>>
>>> And by growing and shrinking your edges you can make your transitions go
>>> smoothly between big value volume or pan changes in items.
>>>
>>> This kind of sonic carpentry works so well for so many things, my long
>>> time
>>> client Earl who writes country and folk songs, and has nary a care for
>>> missed 8th or quarter notes, or turning the beat upside down, well,
>>> reaper
>>> to the rescue to put him relatively back on the beat 'grin'.
>>> I haven't totally mastered this type of editing yet, but ifI mess about
>>> with
>>> it I can usually make it better than it was.
>>> Something Patrick could probably get perfect in 30 seconds 'grin'.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/7/2015 11:11 AM, Justin Macleod via RWP wrote:
>>>> There are various ways to produce/mimick automation in Reaper.
>>>> Apparently it works better with Osara than Rea Access, in that you can
>>>> customise envelopes after you have created them. Under Rea Access, if
>>>> you mess it up you have to go back to the beginning and do it again.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know more than that but www.cavitraining.org is about to run a
>>>> short course on Reaper with Osara which is to include info on how to
>>>> customise fade and panning envelopes.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>
>>>> Justin
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> onlineeagle via RWP
>>>> Sent: 07 September 2015 15:57
>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>> Cc: onlineeagle <onlineeagle at googlemail.com>
>>>> Subject: [Rwp] Automating effects
>>>>
>>>> Hi, I've just been reading the conversation on this list about effects
>>>> chaining, in wrich Chris intimated that automating effect parameters
>>>> was a bit of a chalenge. I was planning to start using Reaper with
>>>> Osara on windows this week, or at least attempt to start playing with
>>>> it. One of my major reasons for using Reaper above Protools, which
>>>> I've been working with for a year on the mac, is to be able to
>>>> automate plugin parameters using a control surface, through midi
>>>> learn. So, having read Chris's comment about plugin automation, I am
>>>> looking for some clarification about if and how this can be done.
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
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