[Rwp] Effect chaining
Tayeb Meftah
tayeb.meftah at gmail.com
Mon Sep 7 13:25:20 EDT 2015
You Mr Chriss need to have a im with you so you get me started :)
Envoyé de mon iPad
> Le 7 sept. 2015 à 18:13, Chris Belle via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> a écrit :
>
> Hey, I just realized something reaper's fx sends are stereo.
>
> So it's not necessary to use two of them to get a stereo send like on a traditional board
> so knowing reaper there's probably a width control somewhere to go between mono and full out stereo and everything in between.
>
> Sometimes you want a plain old mono send.
>
>
>> On 9/7/2015 11:20 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>> No doubt 'grin'.
>>
>>
>>> On 9/7/2015 11:08 AM, Justin Macleod via RWP wrote:
>>> Oh what a tangled web we weave, when we play with sends and receives. :)
>>>
>>> Justin
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Chris Belle
>>> via RWP
>>> Sent: 07 September 2015 15:36
>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>> Cc: Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Effect chaining
>>>
>>> To further explain with track folders, even though you can set
>>> everything to the wet side, and put your fx in series, you do not have
>>> control of the relative levels of wet to dry signals,
>>> individually, per track.
>>>
>>> If you turn down your feeding track, you turn down the feed to your fx,
>>> which may not be a problem,
>>> but if you use sends, you have control over panning as well, which can
>>> affect your sense of width,
>>> two sends will make a stereo pair,
>>> most verbs and delays and such work well enough with only a mono send,
>>> but that gives you more options,
>>> with being able to pan your sends, you can create a lot more sonic
>>> possibilities, like having a small verb on one side and a big verb on
>>> the other side, and also using multiple sends you can decide which parts
>>> of your process are in series and which are in paralel.
>>> YOu can use more than one track for fx, so that you might have say a
>>> global reverb,
>>> that you can create another send to that is not part of your series
>>> stacked fx.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 9/7/2015 9:26 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>> Whoops, yes I did forget to mention that in my explanation, you just
>>>> set all your fx to the wet side if you are going to bus them to a
>>>> track and use a send from another track.
>>>>
>>>> And if you set your sends to be pre
>>>> fader, then you will have total control over your wet and dry
>>>> proportions, unlike using a track folder,
>>>> which is more like using a sub mix.
>>>>
>>>> YOu can turn the volume all the way down on your feeding track,
>>>> with your dry audio
>>>> and get nothing but fx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/7/2015 7:14 AM, Justin Macleod via RWP wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> If you apply your delay to a track and then apply your subtle effect,
>>>>> you will be applying it in series with your delay, therefore it
>>>>> should work, that is, if you don’t have your dry signal in the mix or
>>>>> if your dry signal is mono, so that the only stereo aspect comes from
>>>>> the delay, which can then be widened by your subtle effect.
>>>>>
>>>>> If, however, you have a stereo dry signal, which you want in your
>>>>> final mix and you don’t want widened, if you only want its delays to
>>>>> be widened, what you should do is send your audio to a track with the
>>>>> delay on it, keeping send to parent enabled on the sending track,
>>>>> with the delay on your receiving track set to 100% wet. Then you can
>>>>> apply the subtle effect to your receive and only the wet signal will
>>>>> be widened.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this makes sense, reading back over it it doesn’t look
>>>>> particularly well explained.
>>>>>
>>>>> Basically, slapping a bunch of effects on a track is always done in
>>>>> series, so that the latest effect processes the results of the ones
>>>>> before it, including any dry left in the mix.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>>
>>>>> Justin
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:*RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] *On Behalf Of
>>>>> *Tayeb Meftah via RWP
>>>>> *Sent:* 07 September 2015 10:43
>>>>> *To:* Reapers Without Peepers <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>> *Cc:* Tayeb Meftah <tayeb.meftah at gmail.com>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Rwp] Effect chaining
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Chriss,
>>>>>
>>>>> pretty well explained, thank you
>>>>>
>>>>> i'm still a bit confused
>>>>>
>>>>> i dont want to aply several fx at the same time to a track or more,
>>>>> this can be done using a feeding track outputting to an fx buss
>>>>>
>>>>> my idea is:
>>>>>
>>>>> let's say we have track called "vocal1"
>>>>>
>>>>> this track i want it to have a delay effect
>>>>>
>>>>> but the delay effect i want it to have other subeffect not applied
>>>>> directly to the track, but to the result of the delay itself
>>>>>
>>>>> i could for example phase it, use a special stereo imager or anything
>>>>> i could imagine it to be good for that vocal track
>>>>>
>>>>> i hope you got me :)
>>>>>
>>>>> btw both you & justin have well explained it i thank you all so much
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Envoyé de mon iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 7 sept. 2015 à 01:35, Chris Belle via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com
>>>>> <mailto:rwp at bluegrasspals.com>> a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm just now starting to play with track folders, but yes it's
>>>>> possible, will let someone else help with that.
>>>>>
>>>>> But with the fx thing and putting your delay to another fx like
>>>>> you mentioned, just insert your fx in the order you want on a
>>>>> track, and consider that track an fx bus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then make a send from a feeding track to that fx track,, and then
>>>>> you are golden.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now when it comes to automation and such,
>>>>> that's another story,
>>>>> and that is an area in reaper some of us are struggling with,
>>>>> that I find much easier in sonar.
>>>>>
>>>>> But yes, you can layer your fx, and feed one track with another
>>>>> track, and sends and
>>>>> receives any way you like it as far as I can tell, and as others
>>>>> more reaperized than I am have indicated.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just created my first track folder about 5 minutes ago,
>>>>> so let wiser more experienced heads chime in and tell all if they
>>>>> have time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/6/2015 6:50 PM, Tayeb Meftah via RWP wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> hi guys
>>>>>
>>>>> i'm quickly getting started with reaper happyly
>>>>>
>>>>> what i want is to pass a effect to another effect chain
>>>>> befaure aplying it to a particular track
>>>>>
>>>>> example:
>>>>>
>>>>> do a delay to track 1
>>>>>
>>>>> but befaure aplying the delay, pass the delay result itself
>>>>> through a stereo widener or a reverb or something
>>>>>
>>>>> is that pocible?
>>>>>
>>>>> another thing
>>>>>
>>>>> is it pocible to group tracks and aply the effect to the mix
>>>>> rather thant particular track?
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks!
>>>>>
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