[Rwp] Effect chaining
Chris Belle
cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
Mon Sep 7 13:13:02 EDT 2015
Hey, I just realized something reaper's fx sends are stereo.
So it's not necessary to use two of them to get a stereo send like on a
traditional board
so knowing reaper there's probably a width control somewhere to go
between mono and full out stereo and everything in between.
Sometimes you want a plain old mono send.
On 9/7/2015 11:20 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
> No doubt 'grin'.
>
>
> On 9/7/2015 11:08 AM, Justin Macleod via RWP wrote:
>> Oh what a tangled web we weave, when we play with sends and receives. :)
>>
>> Justin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Chris
>> Belle
>> via RWP
>> Sent: 07 September 2015 15:36
>> To: Reapers Without Peepers <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>> Cc: Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Effect chaining
>>
>> To further explain with track folders, even though you can set
>> everything to the wet side, and put your fx in series, you do not have
>> control of the relative levels of wet to dry signals,
>> individually, per track.
>>
>> If you turn down your feeding track, you turn down the feed to your fx,
>> which may not be a problem,
>> but if you use sends, you have control over panning as well, which can
>> affect your sense of width,
>> two sends will make a stereo pair,
>> most verbs and delays and such work well enough with only a mono send,
>> but that gives you more options,
>> with being able to pan your sends, you can create a lot more sonic
>> possibilities, like having a small verb on one side and a big verb on
>> the other side, and also using multiple sends you can decide which parts
>> of your process are in series and which are in paralel.
>> YOu can use more than one track for fx, so that you might have say a
>> global reverb,
>> that you can create another send to that is not part of your series
>> stacked fx.
>>
>>
>> On 9/7/2015 9:26 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>> Whoops, yes I did forget to mention that in my explanation, you just
>>> set all your fx to the wet side if you are going to bus them to a
>>> track and use a send from another track.
>>>
>>> And if you set your sends to be pre
>>> fader, then you will have total control over your wet and dry
>>> proportions, unlike using a track folder,
>>> which is more like using a sub mix.
>>>
>>> YOu can turn the volume all the way down on your feeding track,
>>> with your dry audio
>>> and get nothing but fx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/7/2015 7:14 AM, Justin Macleod via RWP wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> If you apply your delay to a track and then apply your subtle effect,
>>>> you will be applying it in series with your delay, therefore it
>>>> should work, that is, if you don’t have your dry signal in the mix or
>>>> if your dry signal is mono, so that the only stereo aspect comes from
>>>> the delay, which can then be widened by your subtle effect.
>>>>
>>>> If, however, you have a stereo dry signal, which you want in your
>>>> final mix and you don’t want widened, if you only want its delays to
>>>> be widened, what you should do is send your audio to a track with the
>>>> delay on it, keeping send to parent enabled on the sending track,
>>>> with the delay on your receiving track set to 100% wet. Then you can
>>>> apply the subtle effect to your receive and only the wet signal will
>>>> be widened.
>>>>
>>>> I hope this makes sense, reading back over it it doesn’t look
>>>> particularly well explained.
>>>>
>>>> Basically, slapping a bunch of effects on a track is always done in
>>>> series, so that the latest effect processes the results of the ones
>>>> before it, including any dry left in the mix.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>
>>>> Justin
>>>>
>>>> *From:*RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] *On Behalf Of
>>>> *Tayeb Meftah via RWP
>>>> *Sent:* 07 September 2015 10:43
>>>> *To:* Reapers Without Peepers <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>> *Cc:* Tayeb Meftah <tayeb.meftah at gmail.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Rwp] Effect chaining
>>>>
>>>> Hi Chriss,
>>>>
>>>> pretty well explained, thank you
>>>>
>>>> i'm still a bit confused
>>>>
>>>> i dont want to aply several fx at the same time to a track or more,
>>>> this can be done using a feeding track outputting to an fx buss
>>>>
>>>> my idea is:
>>>>
>>>> let's say we have track called "vocal1"
>>>>
>>>> this track i want it to have a delay effect
>>>>
>>>> but the delay effect i want it to have other subeffect not applied
>>>> directly to the track, but to the result of the delay itself
>>>>
>>>> i could for example phase it, use a special stereo imager or anything
>>>> i could imagine it to be good for that vocal track
>>>>
>>>> i hope you got me :)
>>>>
>>>> btw both you & justin have well explained it i thank you all so much
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Envoyé de mon iPad
>>>>
>>>> Le 7 sept. 2015 à 01:35, Chris Belle via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com
>>>> <mailto:rwp at bluegrasspals.com>> a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> I'm just now starting to play with track folders, but yes it's
>>>> possible, will let someone else help with that.
>>>>
>>>> But with the fx thing and putting your delay to another fx like
>>>> you mentioned, just insert your fx in the order you want on a
>>>> track, and consider that track an fx bus.
>>>>
>>>> Then make a send from a feeding track to that fx track,, and then
>>>> you are golden.
>>>>
>>>> Now when it comes to automation and such,
>>>> that's another story,
>>>> and that is an area in reaper some of us are struggling with,
>>>> that I find much easier in sonar.
>>>>
>>>> But yes, you can layer your fx, and feed one track with another
>>>> track, and sends and
>>>> receives any way you like it as far as I can tell, and as others
>>>> more reaperized than I am have indicated.
>>>>
>>>> I just created my first track folder about 5 minutes ago,
>>>> so let wiser more experienced heads chime in and tell all if they
>>>> have time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/6/2015 6:50 PM, Tayeb Meftah via RWP wrote:
>>>>
>>>> hi guys
>>>>
>>>> i'm quickly getting started with reaper happyly
>>>>
>>>> what i want is to pass a effect to another effect chain
>>>> befaure aplying it to a particular track
>>>>
>>>> example:
>>>>
>>>> do a delay to track 1
>>>>
>>>> but befaure aplying the delay, pass the delay result itself
>>>> through a stereo widener or a reverb or something
>>>>
>>>> is that pocible?
>>>>
>>>> another thing
>>>>
>>>> is it pocible to group tracks and aply the effect to the mix
>>>> rather thant particular track?
>>>>
>>>> thanks!
>>>>
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