[Rwp] Effect chaining

Chris Belle cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
Mon Sep 7 12:20:29 EDT 2015 

No doubt 'grin'.


On 9/7/2015 11:08 AM, Justin Macleod via RWP wrote:
> Oh what a tangled web we weave, when we play with sends and receives. :)
>
> Justin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Chris Belle
> via RWP
> Sent: 07 September 2015 15:36
> To: Reapers Without Peepers <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
> Cc: Chris Belle <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Effect chaining
>
> To further explain with track folders, even though you can set
> everything to the wet side, and put your fx in series, you do not have
> control of the relative levels of wet to dry signals,
> individually, per track.
>
> If you turn down your feeding track, you turn down the feed to your fx,
> which may not be a problem,
> but if you use sends, you have control over panning as well, which can
> affect your sense of width,
> two sends will make a stereo pair,
> most verbs and delays and such work well enough with only a mono send,
> but that gives you more options,
> with being able to pan your sends, you can create a lot more sonic
> possibilities, like having a small verb on one side and a big verb on
> the other side, and also using multiple sends you can decide which parts
> of your process are in series and which are in paralel.
> YOu can use more than one track for fx, so that you might have say a
> global reverb,
> that you can create another send to that is not part of your series
> stacked fx.
>
>
> On 9/7/2015 9:26 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>> Whoops, yes I did forget to mention that in my explanation, you just
>> set all your fx to the wet side if you are going to bus them to a
>> track and use a send from another track.
>>
>> And if you set your sends to be pre
>> fader, then you will have total control over your wet and dry
>> proportions, unlike using a track folder,
>> which is more like using a sub mix.
>>
>> YOu can turn the volume all the way down on your feeding track,
>> with your dry audio
>> and get nothing but fx
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/7/2015 7:14 AM, Justin Macleod via RWP wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> If you apply your delay to a track and then apply your subtle effect,
>>> you will be applying it in series with your delay, therefore it
>>> should work, that is, if you don’t have your dry signal in the mix or
>>> if your dry signal is mono, so that the only stereo aspect comes from
>>> the delay, which can then be widened by your subtle effect.
>>>
>>> If, however, you have a stereo dry signal, which you want in your
>>> final mix and you don’t want widened, if you only want its delays to
>>> be widened, what you should do is send your audio to a track with the
>>> delay on it, keeping send to parent enabled on the sending track,
>>> with the delay on your receiving track set to 100% wet. Then you can
>>> apply the subtle effect to your receive and only the wet signal will
>>> be widened.
>>>
>>> I hope this makes sense, reading back over it it doesn’t look
>>> particularly well explained.
>>>
>>> Basically, slapping a bunch of effects on a track is always done in
>>> series, so that the latest effect processes the results of the ones
>>> before it, including any dry left in the mix.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>>
>>> Justin
>>>
>>> *From:*RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] *On Behalf Of
>>> *Tayeb Meftah via RWP
>>> *Sent:* 07 September 2015 10:43
>>> *To:* Reapers Without Peepers <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>> *Cc:* Tayeb Meftah <tayeb.meftah at gmail.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Rwp] Effect chaining
>>>
>>> Hi Chriss,
>>>
>>> pretty well explained, thank you
>>>
>>> i'm still a bit confused
>>>
>>> i dont want to aply several fx at the same time to a track or more,
>>> this can be done using a feeding track outputting to an fx buss
>>>
>>> my idea is:
>>>
>>> let's say we have track called "vocal1"
>>>
>>> this track i want it to have a delay effect
>>>
>>> but the delay effect i want it to have other subeffect not applied
>>> directly to the track, but to the result of the delay itself
>>>
>>> i could for example phase it, use a special stereo imager or anything
>>> i could imagine it to be good for that vocal track
>>>
>>> i hope you got me :)
>>>
>>> btw both you & justin have well explained it i thank you all so much
>>>
>>>
>>> Envoyé de mon iPad
>>>
>>> Le 7 sept. 2015 à 01:35, Chris Belle via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com
>>> <mailto:rwp at bluegrasspals.com>> a écrit :
>>>
>>>      I'm just now starting to play with track folders, but yes it's
>>>      possible, will let someone else help with that.
>>>
>>>      But with the fx thing and putting your delay to another fx like
>>>      you mentioned, just insert your fx in the order you want on a
>>>      track, and consider that track an fx bus.
>>>
>>>      Then make a send from a feeding track to that fx track,, and then
>>>      you are golden.
>>>
>>>      Now when it comes to automation and such,
>>>      that's another story,
>>>      and that is an area in reaper some  of us are struggling with,
>>>      that I find much easier in sonar.
>>>
>>>      But yes, you can layer your fx, and feed one track with another
>>>      track, and sends and
>>>      receives any way you like it as far as I can tell, and as others
>>>      more reaperized than I am have indicated.
>>>
>>>      I just created my first track folder about 5 minutes ago,
>>>      so let wiser more experienced heads chime in and tell all if they
>>>      have time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      On 9/6/2015 6:50 PM, Tayeb Meftah via RWP wrote:
>>>
>>>          hi guys
>>>
>>>          i'm quickly getting started with reaper happyly
>>>
>>>          what i want is to pass a effect to another effect chain
>>>          befaure aplying it to a particular track
>>>
>>>          example:
>>>
>>>          do a delay to track 1
>>>
>>>          but befaure aplying the delay, pass the delay result itself
>>>          through a stereo widener or a reverb or something
>>>
>>>          is that pocible?
>>>
>>>          another thing
>>>
>>>          is it pocible to group tracks and aply the effect to the mix
>>>          rather thant particular track?
>>>
>>>          thanks!
>>>
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