[Rwp] sidechaining.

[Alex H.]

I've seen similar things when trying to do AHK hackery. It wouldn't
activate elements because it was looking for hardware events. Software
clicking didn't cut the mustard.

Sometimes, when dumb stuff like this happens, not necessarily with
side chaining but something involving a lot of extra hours in Reaper,
I'll open another editor, export the stuff I need from Reapsky and do
the required processing, drop it back in Reapsky and line it up/do
whatever after that. When working with this stuff, sometimes the final
result is more important than how pretty the process is. And blind
people should be used to workarounds by now. Our whole lives revolve
around them in one way or another. Just my positive input for the
holiday. :P

On a serious note, I'll investigate the trackball mousey idea. I can
see big things with OCR and clicking happening, with actual results
instead of wasted hours spitting cusses at my screen. Bias ampsim,
etc.

Have a good one. :)
Alex

On 9/6/15, Snowman via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
> Oh, absolutely.  Some applications are digging down into the hardware i/o,
> and detecting the physical mouse button itself, which is not what a  screen
>
> reader tweaks when it thinks it is clicking the left mouse button.
> So, the application never sees the event.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Belle via RWP" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
> Cc: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2015 5:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rwp] sidechaining.
>
>
>> Hey Jim, I haven't tried it with jaws yet to see if that sends routing
>> thingy can be done with it,
>> but I know it works with NVDA.
>>
>> This makes two days in a row I've managed to make progress with reaper,
>> ha, I might get out on the high way yet with this infernal thing 'grin'.
>> A small primate with a giant brain who I'm proud to call friend
>> took pity on me and showed me the error of my ways,
>>
>> I just had a thought.
>> Sometimes these virtual mouse thingies won't work when a real mouse will.
>> You are in the right place to click, the virtual mouse will take you
>> there, but won't perform the action.
>>
>> I ran in to this just the other day with a reflections loader,
>> jaws OCR found the spot to load the IR
>> but for nothin would it click the icon to open the load dialogue.
>>
>> So I hooked up a rodent and pressed the button, and sure enough, it
>> worked.
>>
>> So I recommend every blindy keep a rodent around, and I even took the ball
>>
>> out of mine so it wouldn't drift on me, but stay put, and just give me the
>>
>> real buttons to press.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/6/2015 4:58 PM, Snowman via RWP wrote:
>>> nice clear video, except for the crucial parts. Right.  Just click here,
>>>
>>> and drag there, and bingo, you're in.
>>> Always the problem.  The important stuff, the part we are missing, is in
>>>
>>> the quicky visual gestures.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle via RWP"
>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>> Cc: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 8:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] sidechaining.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well, I know I got the sends part right becauseI can hear both tracks
>>>> when I solo the track which has the audio I want to affect, and also has
>>>>
>>>> the compressor on it.
>>>>
>>>> This is what the guy in the video did,
>>>> I believe he's doing it the traditional way.
>>>>
>>>> I know we have to do things round about because of access issues,
>>>> there are different ways to do the same thing.
>>>>
>>>> I can't figure out either one of them for now, so my side chaining will
>>>>
>>>> be limited to my other daw for the time being till I get my head around
>>>>
>>>> this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/5/2015 7:22 PM, Chris Belle via RWP wrote:
>>>>> Even in this you tube video, he's doing it the traditional way with a
>>>>> send and the comp lies on the bass track.
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qELUfGKzJg
>>>>>
>>>>> So we can't do it that way I'm gonna try.
>>>>>
>>>>> This looks like the way it's supposed to be done.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/5/2015 7:12 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>>> Well, I admit defeat for the; moment, I sure can't get it to work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know how this stuff works, in sonar, it's as easy as assigning the
>>>>>> track out put of
>>>>>> your controling track, to the side chain input of an effect, which
>>>>>> resides on
>>>>>> a track with audio you want to control.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This usurps your audio from that controling track, so you can't hear
>>>>>> it anymore, the simple example being a voice over controling music,
>>>>>> so you have to make a send from that voice over track so youcan hear
>>>>>> the audio because the main output of it is controling the side chain
>>>>>> on the other track.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems like we're going about it the other way around here,
>>>>>> putting the processor or fx on the controling track, and then some how
>>>>>>
>>>>>> making the receiving track listen to it, I think I got the making a 4
>>>>>>
>>>>>> track part right,
>>>>>> I'm using Osara, and some of those field when you tab around when you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> press i don't talk yet,
>>>>>> and object nav hasn't shown me up anything yet, but I changed where it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> says
>>>>>> track channel and made it 4
>>>>>> That's right after pan and width.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so I'm assuming that gives the traxck the ability to send a copy of
>>>>>> itself elsewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use reacomp
>>>>>> as my experiment, and I went in to the fx window and saw where it said
>>>>>>
>>>>>> detector input and changed that to
>>>>>> auxiliary lr,
>>>>>> and I know reacomp is not receiving from that
>>>>>> because it quits working of course.
>>>>>> But making the other track receive the signal I think is the issue,
>>>>>> I've tried things with sends andreceives, but reaper has this
>>>>>> maddening thing of automatically doing things when you arrow to
>>>>>> certain places in that dialogue, all I've succeeded in doing is
>>>>>> getting copies of my audio send to the different track, but not from
>>>>>> the fx which is what I want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a fairly straight forward thing I've done for years can do it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> with hardware, and with sonar, why is it such a pain in reaper?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In osara I don't see anything readily that says
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Find the buttons that say audio 1/2 and >=1/2. Press on the >= one
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> select 3/4. Done.
>>>>>> maybe this is something yet to be fixed up in Osara,
>>>>>> I can't see how to tell the track to listen to the side chain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a normal situation that fx would be residing on that track and
>>>>>> listening to another track.
>>>>>> Reaper is so powerful but it does everything sideways and upside down
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to everything
>>>>>> traditionally with audio  in the ways the rest of the world does it
>>>>>> 'grin'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Give me a bunch of bananas, I'm going to sit in my tree, and babble
>>>>>> and cackle.
>>>>>> 'grin'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/3/2015 10:22 AM, Alex H. via RWP wrote:
>>>>>>> You have it correct.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> alex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/1/15, theoreomonster--- via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> just to clarify if i wanted the bass to duct overtime the kick hits,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i would
>>>>>>>> make the bass track a 4 channel track and put the compressor on that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> one and
>>>>>>>> set the input to 3/4, then set the kick drum track to 1/2>=3/4? Or
>>>>>>>> is it the
>>>>>>>> other way around ?
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2015, at 10:15 PM, Alex H. via RWP
>>>>>>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Make your receiving track (the one with the effect u wanna use as
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> side chaining thing) a 4 channel track.
>>>>>>>>> On the effects on that track, Set the input on the plugin to
>>>>>>>>> channels
>>>>>>>>> 3/4. It's sometimes called auxiliary.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Go to the other track, the one with the audio you wish to
>>>>>>>>> manipulate
>>>>>>>>> and bring up the track routing dialog. It's I with reaaccess; not
>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>> with OSARA.
>>>>>>>>> Find the buttons that say audio 1/2 and >=1/2. Press on the >= one
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> select 3/4. Done.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps, jotting down from memory as I don't have any
>>>>>>>>> access
>>>>>>>>> to Reaper to double check. Someone else will chime in who knows
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> stuff I'm sure :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> alex
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 8/31/15, Roger Alexanderson via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> hi.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to get sidechain compression to work but it's a bit of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> hazard.
>>>>>>>>>> i followed instruction on the cockos forums.
>>>>>>>>>> http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=17729
>>>>>>>>>> the first problem i found was it's a bit tricky to get the in and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> outs
>>>>>>>>>> right in the i/o routing dialogue.
>>>>>>>>>> secondly the plugin pin connector doesn't seem to be accessible at
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> all,
>>>>>>>>>> at least not in reacomp.
>>>>>>>>>> any ideas.
>>>>>>>>>> thanks
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