[Rwp] sidechaining.

Snowman snowman at snowmanradio.com
Sun Sep 6 21:23:14 EDT 2015 

Oh, absolutely.  Some applications are digging down into the hardware i/o, 
and detecting the physical mouse button itself, which is not what a  screen 
reader tweaks when it thinks it is clicking the left mouse button.
So, the application never sees the event.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Belle via RWP" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
Cc: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2015 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Rwp] sidechaining.


> Hey Jim, I haven't tried it with jaws yet to see if that sends routing 
> thingy can be done with it,
> but I know it works with NVDA.
>
> This makes two days in a row I've managed to make progress with reaper,
> ha, I might get out on the high way yet with this infernal thing 'grin'.
> A small primate with a giant brain who I'm proud to call friend
> took pity on me and showed me the error of my ways,
>
> I just had a thought.
> Sometimes these virtual mouse thingies won't work when a real mouse will.
> You are in the right place to click, the virtual mouse will take you 
> there, but won't perform the action.
>
> I ran in to this just the other day with a reflections loader,
> jaws OCR found the spot to load the IR
> but for nothin would it click the icon to open the load dialogue.
>
> So I hooked up a rodent and pressed the button, and sure enough, it 
> worked.
>
> So I recommend every blindy keep a rodent around, and I even took the ball 
> out of mine so it wouldn't drift on me, but stay put, and just give me the 
> real buttons to press.
>
>
>
>
> On 9/6/2015 4:58 PM, Snowman via RWP wrote:
>> nice clear video, except for the crucial parts. Right.  Just click here, 
>> and drag there, and bingo, you're in.
>> Always the problem.  The important stuff, the part we are missing, is in 
>> the quicky visual gestures.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle via RWP" 
>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>> Cc: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 8:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] sidechaining.
>>
>>
>>> Well, I know I got the sends part right becauseI can hear both tracks 
>>> when I solo the track which has the audio I want to affect, and also has 
>>> the compressor on it.
>>>
>>> This is what the guy in the video did,
>>> I believe he's doing it the traditional way.
>>>
>>> I know we have to do things round about because of access issues,
>>> there are different ways to do the same thing.
>>>
>>> I can't figure out either one of them for now, so my side chaining will 
>>> be limited to my other daw for the time being till I get my head around 
>>> this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/5/2015 7:22 PM, Chris Belle via RWP wrote:
>>>> Even in this you tube video, he's doing it the traditional way with a 
>>>> send and the comp lies on the bass track.
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qELUfGKzJg
>>>>
>>>> So we can't do it that way I'm gonna try.
>>>>
>>>> This looks like the way it's supposed to be done.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/5/2015 7:12 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>> Well, I admit defeat for the; moment, I sure can't get it to work.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know how this stuff works, in sonar, it's as easy as assigning the 
>>>>> track out put of
>>>>> your controling track, to the side chain input of an effect, which 
>>>>> resides on
>>>>> a track with audio you want to control.
>>>>>
>>>>> This usurps your audio from that controling track, so you can't hear 
>>>>> it anymore, the simple example being a voice over controling music,
>>>>> so you have to make a send from that voice over track so youcan hear 
>>>>> the audio because the main output of it is controling the side chain 
>>>>> on the other track.
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems like we're going about it the other way around here,
>>>>> putting the processor or fx on the controling track, and then some how 
>>>>> making the receiving track listen to it, I think I got the making a 4 
>>>>> track part right,
>>>>> I'm using Osara, and some of those field when you tab around when you 
>>>>> press i don't talk yet,
>>>>> and object nav hasn't shown me up anything yet, but I changed where it 
>>>>> says
>>>>> track channel and made it 4
>>>>> That's right after pan and width.
>>>>>
>>>>> so I'm assuming that gives the traxck the ability to send a copy of 
>>>>> itself elsewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> I use reacomp
>>>>> as my experiment, and I went in to the fx window and saw where it said 
>>>>> detector input and changed that to
>>>>> auxiliary lr,
>>>>> and I know reacomp is not receiving from that
>>>>> because it quits working of course.
>>>>> But making the other track receive the signal I think is the issue, 
>>>>> I've tried things with sends andreceives, but reaper has this 
>>>>> maddening thing of automatically doing things when you arrow to 
>>>>> certain places in that dialogue, all I've succeeded in doing is 
>>>>> getting copies of my audio send to the different track, but not from 
>>>>> the fx which is what I want.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a fairly straight forward thing I've done for years can do it 
>>>>> with hardware, and with sonar, why is it such a pain in reaper?
>>>>>
>>>>> In osara I don't see anything readily that says
>>>>>
>>>>> Find the buttons that say audio 1/2 and >=1/2. Press on the >= one and
>>>>> select 3/4. Done.
>>>>> maybe this is something yet to be fixed up in Osara,
>>>>> I can't see how to tell the track to listen to the side chain.
>>>>>
>>>>> In a normal situation that fx would be residing on that track and 
>>>>> listening to another track.
>>>>> Reaper is so powerful but it does everything sideways and upside down 
>>>>> to everything
>>>>> traditionally with audio  in the ways the rest of the world does it 
>>>>> 'grin'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Give me a bunch of bananas, I'm going to sit in my tree, and babble 
>>>>> and cackle.
>>>>> 'grin'.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/3/2015 10:22 AM, Alex H. via RWP wrote:
>>>>>> You have it correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> alex
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/1/15, theoreomonster--- via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> just to clarify if i wanted the bass to duct overtime the kick hits, 
>>>>>>> i would
>>>>>>> make the bass track a 4 channel track and put the compressor on that 
>>>>>>> one and
>>>>>>> set the input to 3/4, then set the kick drum track to 1/2>=3/4? Or 
>>>>>>> is it the
>>>>>>> other way around ?
>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2015, at 10:15 PM, Alex H. via RWP 
>>>>>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Make your receiving track (the one with the effect u wanna use as a
>>>>>>>> side chaining thing) a 4 channel track.
>>>>>>>> On the effects on that track, Set the input on the plugin to 
>>>>>>>> channels
>>>>>>>> 3/4. It's sometimes called auxiliary.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Go to the other track, the one with the audio you wish to 
>>>>>>>> manipulate
>>>>>>>> and bring up the track routing dialog. It's I with reaaccess; not 
>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>> with OSARA.
>>>>>>>> Find the buttons that say audio 1/2 and >=1/2. Press on the >= one 
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> select 3/4. Done.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hope this helps, jotting down from memory as I don't have any 
>>>>>>>> access
>>>>>>>> to Reaper to double check. Someone else will chime in who knows 
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> stuff I'm sure :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> alex
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/31/15, Roger Alexanderson via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> hi.
>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to get sidechain compression to work but it's a bit of 
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> hazard.
>>>>>>>>> i followed instruction on the cockos forums.
>>>>>>>>> http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=17729
>>>>>>>>> the first problem i found was it's a bit tricky to get the in and 
>>>>>>>>> outs
>>>>>>>>> right in the i/o routing dialogue.
>>>>>>>>> secondly the plugin pin connector doesn't seem to be accessible at 
>>>>>>>>> all,
>>>>>>>>> at least not in reacomp.
>>>>>>>>> any ideas.
>>>>>>>>> thanks
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