[Rwp] sidechaining.

Sun Sep 6 16:56:27 EDT 2015

Excellent.

On 9/6/2015 2:57 PM, Alex H. via RWP wrote:
> There is a bug open on this for OSARA, though it hasn't gotten
> attention yet. Keep an eye on it though, never know, things could
> change.
> https://github.com/nvaccess/osara/issues/24
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
> On 9/6/15, Chris Belle via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>> Nope, no received needed to be inserted only a send from your feeding
>> track.
>> But your first track with the processor and the thing, the audio you
>> want to duck or whatever
>> needs to be a 4 channel track.
>>
>> In stead of clicking on those second set of numbers when you re-route
>> the send after you create it on the second track,
>> the i/o dialogue where you press i,
>> try using the NVDA and num pad enter key instead of clicking
>> that worked for me to bring up the context menu to re-route the send.
>>
>> Perhaps Jamie can work on making this menu a bit easier to get to.
>> I don't know if when you tab  if visually the tab order goes through
>> this menu
>> but I know certain things in that dialogue don't talk,
>> so it's possible.
>>
>> Anyway, when you first create that send,
>> it will be pointed at the first track,
>> I just arrowed down once,
>> and it is tricky inserting sends and receives because if you linger too
>> long on the wrong place you get things inserted automatically, and then
>> have to go clean up.
>>
>> I wish reaper didn't do that.
>>
>> But then the send is not pointing right when you created it, and that
>> when you have to go under neath it and get that context menu and
>> re-route it to the third and 4th channels of the 4 channel track.
>> And you also have to put the detector input of reacomp there,
>> it's auxiliary lr setting.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/6/2015 1:08 PM, Roger Alexanderson via RWP wrote:
>>> so, if i get you right, i have to also insert a recieve on the second
>>> track on 3/4?
>>> i've tried to right click on the second 1/2 on the first track, but
>>> nothing happens
>>>
>>>
>>> Den 2015-09-06 kl. 04:05, skrev Patrick Perdue via RWP:
>>>> Here's how I do side-chaining with OSARA. Note that I'm using NVDA,
>>>> but you should be able to apply this to any screen reader's review mode.
>>>>
>>>> 1. On the track to be side-chained, press "i" to get to the track
>>>> I/o, and make sure track channels is set to at least 4.
>>>> 2. From the track to drive the side-chain input, press i for the
>>>> track I/O dialogue, and add a send to the track you want to affect.
>>>> 3. Now with the send added, use your screen reader's review mode to
>>>> find the send you just created. It will be clearly labeled, something
>>>> like Send to track <x> "TrackName."
>>>> Under this send, you should find a line that says "Audio:1/2 =>1/2."
>>>> Right click on the last 1/2. A context menu of destination channels
>>>> should appear, allowing you to select other channels for that
>>>> specific send.
>>>> Select 3/4 if your processor input is set to receive from those
>>>> channels.
>>>>
>>>> And, that should basically do it for routing. The next step, at least
>>>> with the built-in Reaper plugins that do side-chaining is to make
>>>> sure the detector input is set to auxiliary left/right.
>>>>
>>>> On 9/5/2015 9:18 PM, Chris Belle via RWP wrote:
>>>>> Well, I know I got the sends part right becauseI can hear both tracks
>>>>> when I solo the track which has the audio I want to affect, and also
>>>>> has
>>>>> the compressor on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is what the guy in the video did,
>>>>> I believe he's doing it the traditional way.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know we have to do things round about because of access issues,
>>>>> there are different ways to do the same thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't figure out either one of them for now, so my side chaining will
>>>>> be limited to my other daw for the time being till I get my head around
>>>>> this.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/5/2015 7:22 PM, Chris Belle via RWP wrote:
>>>>>> Even in this you tube video, he's doing it the traditional way with a
>>>>>> send and the comp lies on the bass track.
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qELUfGKzJg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So we can't do it that way I'm gonna try.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This looks like the way it's supposed to be done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/5/2015 7:12 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>>>> Well, I admit defeat for the; moment, I sure can't get it to work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know how this stuff works, in sonar, it's as easy as assigning the
>>>>>>> track out put of
>>>>>>> your controling track, to the side chain input of an effect, which
>>>>>>> resides on
>>>>>>> a track with audio you want to control.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This usurps your audio from that controling track, so you can't hear
>>>>>>> it anymore, the simple example being a voice over controling music,
>>>>>>> so you have to make a send from that voice over track so youcan hear
>>>>>>> the audio because the main output of it is controling the side chain
>>>>>>> on the other track.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It seems like we're going about it the other way around here,
>>>>>>> putting the processor or fx on the controling track, and then some
>>>>>>> how making the receiving track listen to it, I think I got the making
>>>>>>> a 4 track part right,
>>>>>>> I'm using Osara, and some of those field when you tab around when you
>>>>>>> press i don't talk yet,
>>>>>>> and object nav hasn't shown me up anything yet, but I changed where
>>>>>>> it says
>>>>>>> track channel and made it 4
>>>>>>> That's right after pan and width.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so I'm assuming that gives the traxck the ability to send a copy of
>>>>>>> itself elsewhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I use reacomp
>>>>>>> as my experiment, and I went in to the fx window and saw where it
>>>>>>> said detector input and changed that to
>>>>>>> auxiliary lr,
>>>>>>> and I know reacomp is not receiving from that
>>>>>>> because it quits working of course.
>>>>>>> But making the other track receive the signal I think is the issue,
>>>>>>> I've tried things with sends andreceives, but reaper has this
>>>>>>> maddening thing of automatically doing things when you arrow to
>>>>>>> certain places in that dialogue, all I've succeeded in doing is
>>>>>>> getting copies of my audio send to the different track, but not from
>>>>>>> the fx which is what I want.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is a fairly straight forward thing I've done for years can do it
>>>>>>> with hardware, and with sonar, why is it such a pain in reaper?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In osara I don't see anything readily that says
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Find the buttons that say audio 1/2 and >=1/2. Press on the >= one
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> select 3/4. Done.
>>>>>>> maybe this is something yet to be fixed up in Osara,
>>>>>>> I can't see how to tell the track to listen to the side chain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a normal situation that fx would be residing on that track and
>>>>>>> listening to another track.
>>>>>>> Reaper is so powerful but it does everything sideways and upside
>>>>>>> down  to everything
>>>>>>> traditionally with audio  in the ways the rest of the world does it
>>>>>>> 'grin'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Give me a bunch of bananas, I'm going to sit in my tree, and babble
>>>>>>> and cackle.
>>>>>>> 'grin'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/3/2015 10:22 AM, Alex H. via RWP wrote:
>>>>>>>> You have it correct.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> alex
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/1/15, theoreomonster--- via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> just to clarify if i wanted the bass to duct overtime the kick
>>>>>>>>> hits, i would
>>>>>>>>> make the bass track a 4 channel track and put the compressor on
>>>>>>>>> that one and
>>>>>>>>> set the input to 3/4, then set the kick drum track to 1/2>=3/4? Or
>>>>>>>>> is it the
>>>>>>>>> other way around ?
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2015, at 10:15 PM, Alex H. via RWP
>>>>>>>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Make your receiving track (the one with the effect u wanna use
>>>>>>>>>> as a
>>>>>>>>>> side chaining thing) a 4 channel track.
>>>>>>>>>> On the effects on that track, Set the input on the plugin to
>>>>>>>>>> channels
>>>>>>>>>> 3/4. It's sometimes called auxiliary.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Go to the other track, the one with the audio you wish to
>>>>>>>>>> manipulate
>>>>>>>>>> and bring up the track routing dialog. It's I with reaaccess; not
>>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>>> with OSARA.
>>>>>>>>>> Find the buttons that say audio 1/2 and >=1/2. Press on the >= one
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> select 3/4. Done.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps, jotting down from memory as I don't have any
>>>>>>>>>> access
>>>>>>>>>> to Reaper to double check. Someone else will chime in who knows
>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>> stuff I'm sure :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> alex
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/31/15, Roger Alexanderson via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> hi.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to get sidechain compression to work but it's a bit
>>>>>>>>>>> of a
>>>>>>>>>>> hazard.
>>>>>>>>>>> i followed instruction on the cockos forums.
>>>>>>>>>>> http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=17729
>>>>>>>>>>> the first problem i found was it's a bit tricky to get the in and
>>>>>>>>>>> outs
>>>>>>>>>>> right in the i/o routing dialogue.
>>>>>>>>>>> secondly the plugin pin connector doesn't seem to be accessible
>>>>>>>>>>> at all,
>>>>>>>>>>> at least not in reacomp.
>>>>>>>>>>> any ideas.
>>>>>>>>>>> thanks
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