[Rwp] sidechaining.

Sun Sep 6 15:57:53 EDT 2015

There is a bug open on this for OSARA, though it hasn't gotten
attention yet. Keep an eye on it though, never know, things could
change.
https://github.com/nvaccess/osara/issues/24

Thanks,
Alex

On 9/6/15, Chris Belle via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
> Nope, no received needed to be inserted only a send from your feeding
> track.
> But your first track with the processor and the thing, the audio you
> want to duck or whatever
> needs to be a 4 channel track.
>
> In stead of clicking on those second set of numbers when you re-route
> the send after you create it on the second track,
> the i/o dialogue where you press i,
> try using the NVDA and num pad enter key instead of clicking
> that worked for me to bring up the context menu to re-route the send.
>
> Perhaps Jamie can work on making this menu a bit easier to get to.
> I don't know if when you tab  if visually the tab order goes through
> this menu
> but I know certain things in that dialogue don't talk,
> so it's possible.
>
> Anyway, when you first create that send,
> it will be pointed at the first track,
> I just arrowed down once,
> and it is tricky inserting sends and receives because if you linger too
> long on the wrong place you get things inserted automatically, and then
> have to go clean up.
>
> I wish reaper didn't do that.
>
> But then the send is not pointing right when you created it, and that
> when you have to go under neath it and get that context menu and
> re-route it to the third and 4th channels of the 4 channel track.
> And you also have to put the detector input of reacomp there,
> it's auxiliary lr setting.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/6/2015 1:08 PM, Roger Alexanderson via RWP wrote:
>> so, if i get you right, i have to also insert a recieve on the second
>> track on 3/4?
>> i've tried to right click on the second 1/2 on the first track, but
>> nothing happens
>>
>>
>> Den 2015-09-06 kl. 04:05, skrev Patrick Perdue via RWP:
>>> Here's how I do side-chaining with OSARA. Note that I'm using NVDA,
>>> but you should be able to apply this to any screen reader's review mode.
>>>
>>> 1. On the track to be side-chained, press "i" to get to the track
>>> I/o, and make sure track channels is set to at least 4.
>>> 2. From the track to drive the side-chain input, press i for the
>>> track I/O dialogue, and add a send to the track you want to affect.
>>> 3. Now with the send added, use your screen reader's review mode to
>>> find the send you just created. It will be clearly labeled, something
>>> like Send to track <x> "TrackName."
>>> Under this send, you should find a line that says "Audio:1/2 =>1/2."
>>> Right click on the last 1/2. A context menu of destination channels
>>> should appear, allowing you to select other channels for that
>>> specific send.
>>> Select 3/4 if your processor input is set to receive from those
>>> channels.
>>>
>>> And, that should basically do it for routing. The next step, at least
>>> with the built-in Reaper plugins that do side-chaining is to make
>>> sure the detector input is set to auxiliary left/right.
>>>
>>> On 9/5/2015 9:18 PM, Chris Belle via RWP wrote:
>>>> Well, I know I got the sends part right becauseI can hear both tracks
>>>> when I solo the track which has the audio I want to affect, and also
>>>> has
>>>> the compressor on it.
>>>>
>>>> This is what the guy in the video did,
>>>> I believe he's doing it the traditional way.
>>>>
>>>> I know we have to do things round about because of access issues,
>>>> there are different ways to do the same thing.
>>>>
>>>> I can't figure out either one of them for now, so my side chaining will
>>>> be limited to my other daw for the time being till I get my head around
>>>> this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/5/2015 7:22 PM, Chris Belle via RWP wrote:
>>>>> Even in this you tube video, he's doing it the traditional way with a
>>>>> send and the comp lies on the bass track.
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qELUfGKzJg
>>>>>
>>>>> So we can't do it that way I'm gonna try.
>>>>>
>>>>> This looks like the way it's supposed to be done.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/5/2015 7:12 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>>> Well, I admit defeat for the; moment, I sure can't get it to work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know how this stuff works, in sonar, it's as easy as assigning the
>>>>>> track out put of
>>>>>> your controling track, to the side chain input of an effect, which
>>>>>> resides on
>>>>>> a track with audio you want to control.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This usurps your audio from that controling track, so you can't hear
>>>>>> it anymore, the simple example being a voice over controling music,
>>>>>> so you have to make a send from that voice over track so youcan hear
>>>>>> the audio because the main output of it is controling the side chain
>>>>>> on the other track.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems like we're going about it the other way around here,
>>>>>> putting the processor or fx on the controling track, and then some
>>>>>> how making the receiving track listen to it, I think I got the making
>>>>>> a 4 track part right,
>>>>>> I'm using Osara, and some of those field when you tab around when you
>>>>>> press i don't talk yet,
>>>>>> and object nav hasn't shown me up anything yet, but I changed where
>>>>>> it says
>>>>>> track channel and made it 4
>>>>>> That's right after pan and width.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so I'm assuming that gives the traxck the ability to send a copy of
>>>>>> itself elsewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use reacomp
>>>>>> as my experiment, and I went in to the fx window and saw where it
>>>>>> said detector input and changed that to
>>>>>> auxiliary lr,
>>>>>> and I know reacomp is not receiving from that
>>>>>> because it quits working of course.
>>>>>> But making the other track receive the signal I think is the issue,
>>>>>> I've tried things with sends andreceives, but reaper has this
>>>>>> maddening thing of automatically doing things when you arrow to
>>>>>> certain places in that dialogue, all I've succeeded in doing is
>>>>>> getting copies of my audio send to the different track, but not from
>>>>>> the fx which is what I want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a fairly straight forward thing I've done for years can do it
>>>>>> with hardware, and with sonar, why is it such a pain in reaper?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In osara I don't see anything readily that says
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Find the buttons that say audio 1/2 and >=1/2. Press on the >= one
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> select 3/4. Done.
>>>>>> maybe this is something yet to be fixed up in Osara,
>>>>>> I can't see how to tell the track to listen to the side chain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a normal situation that fx would be residing on that track and
>>>>>> listening to another track.
>>>>>> Reaper is so powerful but it does everything sideways and upside
>>>>>> down  to everything
>>>>>> traditionally with audio  in the ways the rest of the world does it
>>>>>> 'grin'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Give me a bunch of bananas, I'm going to sit in my tree, and babble
>>>>>> and cackle.
>>>>>> 'grin'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/3/2015 10:22 AM, Alex H. via RWP wrote:
>>>>>>> You have it correct.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> alex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/1/15, theoreomonster--- via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> just to clarify if i wanted the bass to duct overtime the kick
>>>>>>>> hits, i would
>>>>>>>> make the bass track a 4 channel track and put the compressor on
>>>>>>>> that one and
>>>>>>>> set the input to 3/4, then set the kick drum track to 1/2>=3/4? Or
>>>>>>>> is it the
>>>>>>>> other way around ?
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2015, at 10:15 PM, Alex H. via RWP
>>>>>>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Make your receiving track (the one with the effect u wanna use
>>>>>>>>> as a
>>>>>>>>> side chaining thing) a 4 channel track.
>>>>>>>>> On the effects on that track, Set the input on the plugin to
>>>>>>>>> channels
>>>>>>>>> 3/4. It's sometimes called auxiliary.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Go to the other track, the one with the audio you wish to
>>>>>>>>> manipulate
>>>>>>>>> and bring up the track routing dialog. It's I with reaaccess; not
>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>> with OSARA.
>>>>>>>>> Find the buttons that say audio 1/2 and >=1/2. Press on the >= one
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> select 3/4. Done.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps, jotting down from memory as I don't have any
>>>>>>>>> access
>>>>>>>>> to Reaper to double check. Someone else will chime in who knows
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> stuff I'm sure :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> alex
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 8/31/15, Roger Alexanderson via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> hi.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to get sidechain compression to work but it's a bit
>>>>>>>>>> of a
>>>>>>>>>> hazard.
>>>>>>>>>> i followed instruction on the cockos forums.
>>>>>>>>>> http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=17729
>>>>>>>>>> the first problem i found was it's a bit tricky to get the in and
>>>>>>>>>> outs
>>>>>>>>>> right in the i/o routing dialogue.
>>>>>>>>>> secondly the plugin pin connector doesn't seem to be accessible
>>>>>>>>>> at all,
>>>>>>>>>> at least not in reacomp.
>>>>>>>>>> any ideas.
>>>>>>>>>> thanks
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