[Rwp] sidechaining.

Sun Sep 6 13:45:42 EDT 2015

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On 9/6/2015 12:41 PM, onlineeagle via RWP wrote:
> Looks like you beat me to that example by about a second Chris, only your explanation was much better.
>
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>> On 6 Sep 2015, at 18:34, Chris Belle via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sure.
>>
>> The most common use of it is on your radio morning news or shock jock broadcast,
>> when you hear dialogue going on and the music or sound effects or what ever are pushed down when the speaker is speaking.
>>
>> What happens is that the input from one source signal controls the compressr on another source.
>>
>> Instead of compressing the voice, when the voice goes the music gets squeezed down so it doesn't over power the voice, and the voice doesn't have to be mixed way louder than the music.
>> to be heard.
>>
>> There are other creative uses of side chaining, making a gate open and close to make stutter like fx on a music track, opening and closing a filter,
>> to sweep a frequency sweep on a synth track, a song that comes to mind is blondy's call me where the high hat made that synth track get brighter and darker,
>> there are tons of ways to use this, in dance and trans they use it to get the bass out of the way of the kick drum so both can punch more,
>> and you can use it subtly or more aggressively,
>> in modern rock tracks they use it to poush down those big walls of guitars so a vocalist can be heard, again without making the vocal louder than the music,
>> I'm not a big fan of that pumping type of thing,
>> myself, but it is accepted practice in some genre's to do that.
>>
>> But if you set your release times correctly,
>> then it can be musical and rhythmical, in time with your track,
>> when making room for things in mixes, I prefer to go old school and use eq and carve out a place
>> for my bits and pieces, but using each method tastefully can render a nice result,
>> combined together,
>>
>> Here is a crazy little thing I did with lots of side chaining, I also used resonance with eq filters and all sorts of weird stuff on some very common sounds, this was actually a sustained organ chord, but I broke it up with gating and such rhythmically with side chaining,
>> and made it more interesting which would have been a raqther bland ordinary part, but moving those gates and filters around with the percussio parts did cool stuff to the melodic parts.
>>
>> Here it is.
>> I'm still looking for a good name for this piece.
>>
>> https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/0vy1n2
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 9/6/2015 10:23 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP wrote:
>>> Chris,
>>>
>>> I keep hearing about side chaning.  Basically, what is! side chaining, and can you give a true world example of where it may be used?
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle via RWP" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>> Cc: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2015 11:11 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] sidechaining.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ah, I finally got it to work with a nice concise explain from a good friend.
>>>>
>>>> With Osara, you have to use object nav to re-direct the send to the right place,
>>>> from your feeding track,
>>>> while you are still in the dialogue after you create the send.
>>>>
>>>> I had it all right but that critical little bit.
>>>>
>>>> IN sonar, your side chain inputs show up as descrete inputs when you assign track inputs, and they show up as
>>>> options for both the track and sends inputs so you know exactly what you are assigning.
>>>> But in reaper, I gather, when you make say a 4 channel track,
>>>> you give your side chain input a place to be,
>>>> and then when you set your detector input to auxiliary
>>>> on the fx window itself, then it lines up with that extra set of track inputs.
>>>>
>>>> Then you have to tell your send from the other track to go there.
>>>>
>>>> So it is a generic enumeration,
>>>> not a hard wired naming scheme, but it works,
>>>> and the advantage of reaper is that
>>>> you can daisy chain any number of things together
>>>> with sonar you can not assign sends to other tracks,
>>>> but only busses, or processors which show up their side chain inputs,
>>>> so once I get used to reaper's unconventional
>>>> but more powerful way of routing, then I'll be able to do more cool stuf.
>>>>
>>>> Most of my needs are pretty old school,
>>>> traditional recording and mixing things, but still, the ability is there, and I look forward to
>>>> exploring them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/3/2015 1:32 PM, Justin Macleod via RWP wrote:
>>>>> That means that channels 1 and 2 of your send are sending to channels 3 and
>>>>> 4 of your receive, where your compressor/gate/vocoder/whatever will be
>>>>> listening for the audio to turn up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>>
>>>>> Justin
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Roger
>>>>> Alexanderson via RWP
>>>>> Sent: 03 September 2015 19:20
>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>> Cc: Roger Alexanderson <roger77swe at yahoo.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] sidechaining.
>>>>>
>>>>> just a bit confused, 1+2=3+4?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Den 2015-09-03 kl. 17:22, skrev Alex H. via RWP:
>>>>>> You have it correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> alex
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/1/15, theoreomonster--- via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> just to clarify if i wanted the bass to duct overtime the kick hits,
>>>>>>> i would make the bass track a 4 channel track and put the compressor
>>>>>>> on that one and set the input to 3/4, then set the kick drum track to
>>>>>>> 1/2>=3/4? Or is it the other way around ?
>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2015, at 10:15 PM, Alex H. via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Make your receiving track (the one with the effect u wanna use as a
>>>>>>>> side chaining thing) a 4 channel track.
>>>>>>>> On the effects on that track, Set the input on the plugin to
>>>>>>>> channels 3/4. It's sometimes called auxiliary.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Go to the other track, the one with the audio you wish to manipulate
>>>>>>>> and bring up the track routing dialog. It's I with reaaccess; not
>>>>>>>> sure with OSARA.
>>>>>>>> Find the buttons that say audio 1/2 and >=1/2. Press on the >= one
>>>>>>>> and select 3/4. Done.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hope this helps, jotting down from memory as I don't have any access
>>>>>>>> to Reaper to double check. Someone else will chime in who knows
>>>>>>>> their stuff I'm sure :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> alex
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 8/31/15, Roger Alexanderson via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> hi.
>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to get sidechain compression to work but it's a bit of a
>>>>>>>>> hazard.
>>>>>>>>> i followed instruction on the cockos forums.
>>>>>>>>> http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=17729
>>>>>>>>> the first problem i found was it's a bit tricky to get the in and
>>>>>>>>> outs right in the i/o routing dialogue.
>>>>>>>>> secondly the plugin pin connector doesn't seem to be accessible at
>>>>>>>>> all, at least not in reacomp.
>>>>>>>>> any ideas.
>>>>>>>>> thanks
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