[Rwp] Ivory?

Mon Nov 30 06:55:59 EST 2015

Aa, that would explain it.

Chris.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Rwp] Ivory?

> Typical USB2
> tops out at about 35 megs a second, and bandwidth is shared with devices.
>
> About 4 to 6 times slower than your average sata.
>
> On 11/29/2015 1:13 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Actually, I have about 4 external USB drives, so that's not the issue. 
>> They all seem to be 5400 RPM though.  It's not a big deal, I just wanted 
>> to be sure it wasn't something weird going on with my system.
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <theoreomonster at reaperaccess.com>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 11:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Ivory?
>>
>>
>>> Whether you commit or freeze a track in PT or Reaper a new audio file is 
>>> created in the  project audio folder so it actually does render a file, 
>>> Just its automatically placed in the audio folder instead of you having 
>>> control of where to place it.
>>>
>>> Also as mentioned in chris bell’s explanation this why its good to have 
>>> samples on their own drive, record to its own drive and not use your 
>>> system drive for everything. So while i don’t think an SSD should be 
>>> your first upgrade i do think you may want to consider picking up a 
>>> couple of external drives.  Also in the case of PT you may want to 
>>> consider maxing out the amount of ram your machine can take now that the 
>>> feature to use the RAM as disc is available in Non HD Pro Tools.
>>>
>>>> On Nov 27, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>> <clgilland07 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Chris,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for such an absolutely brilliant explanation.  What you say 
>>>> actually does make a lot of sense.  I have tried committing the Ivery 
>>>> tracks, but as you said, all that really is doing is bouncing them all 
>>>> down to an audio track, rather than to a rendered file.  I'm not sure 
>>>> about Reaper, but ProTools doesn't really per sé, have a freezing 
>>>> option. It kind of does, with committing, but that's about the closest 
>>>> we have. You commit/bounce to another audio track any selected tracks, 
>>>> then at the same time, you also can have it hide the original source 
>>>> tracks, and even make them inactive.  So I guess, kind of, if you wanna 
>>>> get really technical, it's a form of a freeze.
>>>>
>>>> Chris.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 2:56 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Ivory?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> This is relevant to theory for rendering and bouncing for any DAW so 
>>>>> I'll comment here.
>>>>>
>>>>> With sampling based instruments, especially one as heavy as ivory, 
>>>>> there is a lot of disk i/o going on.
>>>>> With that many samples
>>>>> velocity layers, round robin and such it has to slow down to render 
>>>>> that.
>>>>> A 5400 rpm drive would really bog down a sample library,
>>>>> especially one as huge as ivory, one thing you might consider doing is 
>>>>> to freeze your trak
>>>>> which may takesome time as well,
>>>>> but then when you render your project, it should go normally at that 
>>>>> point.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are also certain synths I have used that just don't render well 
>>>>> with a fast bounce,
>>>>> and this is why in most good DAW's
>>>>> there still exists the ability to do it in real time.
>>>>> Some time certain controlers don't move just like they should,
>>>>> with a fast bounce,
>>>>> I've even had one situation and my experience is mostly with sonar but 
>>>>> this actually happened,
>>>>> I had a complex aray of stuf going on, and when I rendered with the 
>>>>> daw,
>>>>> some of the stuf wasn't taking.
>>>>> It would play just fine, but not render with everything like it 
>>>>> should.
>>>>>
>>>>> I ended up dumping in real time by playing and recording in to another 
>>>>> set of input tracks,
>>>>> in real time to get it perfect.
>>>>> This is a rare occurance,
>>>>> as most modern vst's and DAW's are designed to sync up together and 
>>>>> get it all right,
>>>>> but it can happen.
>>>>> So it doesn't surprise me that ivory won't go super fast in a render.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/26/2015 5:28 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>>>>> OK, you are *just!* the guy I need to speak with!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't seem to extract your e-mail address from your message on the 
>>>>>> list, so others, please forgive me.  I have every single intention of 
>>>>>> taking this thread off list past this point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Firstly, here is my e-mail address, so we can converse privately.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> clgilland07 at gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, so yes, I am trying to use Ivory with Reaper, however, I, too, am 
>>>>>> using ProTools on the mac.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm noticing that when I pop Ivory on an insert, even if only one 
>>>>>> stereo instrument track and no more, it makes my offline bouncing go 
>>>>>> to a complete crawl!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only thing I can think of is, my internal drive isn't solid 
>>>>>> state, and is only 5400RPM.  I'm not getting any sort of pops, or 
>>>>>> buffer issues though when recording/monitoring in PT, nor am I 
>>>>>> getting any artifacts or latency. The only time it's slow is when 
>>>>>> offline bouncing. The fasting I can get it to go is like maybe 1.2X.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just didn't know if you had this issue as well.  I mean, this is 
>>>>>> literally happening even with a session with only one track all total 
>>>>>> in the whole session, which only has one thing on insert A, which is 
>>>>>> the Ivory plug. It's totally stupid!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, let's not clog the reaper list with this any more than 
>>>>>> already, you have my e-mail, so if you or anyone else has any ideas, 
>>>>>> I'd be very very grateful for any suggestions, short of getting an 
>>>>>> SSD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can do that come next month, but I'd really rather not, if I don't 
>>>>>> have to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "onlineeagle via RWP" 
>>>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>> Cc: "onlineeagle" <onlineeagle at googlemail.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 5:49 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Ivory?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Christopher, I don't have the concert grand, but I have other 
>>>>>>> Ivory pianos. They all use the same plugin, so my experience will be 
>>>>>>> the same as yours, regardless of which piano. I haven't used it on 
>>>>>>> Windows with Reaper yet. I have used it with ProTools on the mac, 
>>>>>>> however, I can tell you that all the piano options are available as 
>>>>>>> parameters. Therefore you will be able to do everything you need to 
>>>>>>> do with the Shift P parameter window in Reaper. This even includes 
>>>>>>> changing the presets. I was able to change presets this way in 
>>>>>>> ProTools and then save the preset, so that I was able to bring it up 
>>>>>>> again by using the preset part of the FX window. So, good news on 
>>>>>>> the Ivory front I think.
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 26 Nov 2015, at 09:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>>>>>> <clgilland07 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does anyone have any experience running Synthogy Ivory American 
>>>>>>>> Concert D on Windows with Reaper?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If so, I am very curious to know how well it worked for you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>>>>
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