[Rwp] Ivory?

Chris Belle cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
Sun Nov 29 23:07:57 EST 2015 

Typical USB2
tops out at about 35 megs a second, and bandwidth is shared with devices.

About 4 to 6 times slower than your average sata.

On 11/29/2015 1:13 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> Actually, I have about 4 external USB drives, so that's not the 
> issue.  They all seem to be 5400 RPM though.  It's not a big deal, I 
> just wanted to be sure it wasn't something weird going on with my system.
>
> Chris.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <theoreomonster at reaperaccess.com>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 11:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Ivory?
>
>
>> Whether you commit or freeze a track in PT or Reaper a new audio file 
>> is created in the  project audio folder so it actually does render a 
>> file, Just its automatically placed in the audio folder instead of 
>> you having control of where to place it.
>>
>> Also as mentioned in chris bell’s explanation this why its good to 
>> have samples on their own drive, record to its own drive and not use 
>> your system drive for everything. So while i don’t think an SSD 
>> should be your first upgrade i do think you may want to consider 
>> picking up a couple of external drives.  Also in the case of PT you 
>> may want to consider maxing out the amount of ram your machine can 
>> take now that the feature to use the RAM as disc is available in Non 
>> HD Pro Tools.
>>
>>> On Nov 27, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> <clgilland07 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Chris,
>>>
>>> Thank you for such an absolutely brilliant explanation.  What you 
>>> say actually does make a lot of sense.  I have tried committing the 
>>> Ivery tracks, but as you said, all that really is doing is bouncing 
>>> them all down to an audio track, rather than to a rendered file.  
>>> I'm not sure about Reaper, but ProTools doesn't really per sé, have 
>>> a freezing option. It kind of does, with committing, but that's 
>>> about the closest we have. You commit/bounce to another audio track 
>>> any selected tracks, then at the same time, you also can have it 
>>> hide the original source tracks, and even make them inactive.  So I 
>>> guess, kind of, if you wanna get really technical, it's a form of a 
>>> freeze.
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 2:56 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Ivory?
>>>
>>>
>>>> This is relevant to theory for rendering and bouncing for any DAW 
>>>> so I'll comment here.
>>>>
>>>> With sampling based instruments, especially one as heavy as ivory, 
>>>> there is a lot of disk i/o going on.
>>>> With that many samples
>>>> velocity layers, round robin and such it has to slow down to render 
>>>> that.
>>>> A 5400 rpm drive would really bog down a sample library,
>>>> especially one as huge as ivory, one thing you might consider doing 
>>>> is to freeze your trak
>>>> which may takesome time as well,
>>>> but then when you render your project, it should go normally at 
>>>> that point.
>>>>
>>>> There are also certain synths I have used that just don't render 
>>>> well with a fast bounce,
>>>> and this is why in most good DAW's
>>>> there still exists the ability to do it in real time.
>>>> Some time certain controlers don't move just like they should,
>>>> with a fast bounce,
>>>> I've even had one situation and my experience is mostly with sonar 
>>>> but this actually happened,
>>>> I had a complex aray of stuf going on, and when I rendered with the 
>>>> daw,
>>>> some of the stuf wasn't taking.
>>>> It would play just fine, but not render with everything like it 
>>>> should.
>>>>
>>>> I ended up dumping in real time by playing and recording in to 
>>>> another set of input tracks,
>>>> in real time to get it perfect.
>>>> This is a rare occurance,
>>>> as most modern vst's and DAW's are designed to sync up together and 
>>>> get it all right,
>>>> but it can happen.
>>>> So it doesn't surprise me that ivory won't go super fast in a render.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/26/2015 5:28 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>>>> OK, you are *just!* the guy I need to speak with!
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't seem to extract your e-mail address from your message on 
>>>>> the list, so others, please forgive me.  I have every single 
>>>>> intention of taking this thread off list past this point.
>>>>>
>>>>> Firstly, here is my e-mail address, so we can converse privately.
>>>>>
>>>>> clgilland07 at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, so yes, I am trying to use Ivory with Reaper, however, I, too, 
>>>>> am using ProTools on the mac.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm noticing that when I pop Ivory on an insert, even if only one 
>>>>> stereo instrument track and no more, it makes my offline bouncing 
>>>>> go to a complete crawl!
>>>>>
>>>>> The only thing I can think of is, my internal drive isn't solid 
>>>>> state, and is only 5400RPM.  I'm not getting any sort of pops, or 
>>>>> buffer issues though when recording/monitoring in PT, nor am I 
>>>>> getting any artifacts or latency. The only time it's slow is when 
>>>>> offline bouncing. The fasting I can get it to go is like maybe 1.2X.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just didn't know if you had this issue as well.  I mean, this is 
>>>>> literally happening even with a session with only one track all 
>>>>> total in the whole session, which only has one thing on insert A, 
>>>>> which is the Ivory plug. It's totally stupid!
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, let's not clog the reaper list with this any more than 
>>>>> already, you have my e-mail, so if you or anyone else has any 
>>>>> ideas, I'd be very very grateful for any suggestions, short of 
>>>>> getting an SSD.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can do that come next month, but I'd really rather not, if I 
>>>>> don't have to.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "onlineeagle via RWP" 
>>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>> Cc: "onlineeagle" <onlineeagle at googlemail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 5:49 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Ivory?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Christopher, I don't have the concert grand, but I have other 
>>>>>> Ivory pianos. They all use the same plugin, so my experience will 
>>>>>> be the same as yours, regardless of which piano. I haven't used 
>>>>>> it on Windows with Reaper yet. I have used it with ProTools on 
>>>>>> the mac, however, I can tell you that all the piano options are 
>>>>>> available as parameters. Therefore you will be able to do 
>>>>>> everything you need to do with the Shift P parameter window in 
>>>>>> Reaper. This even includes changing the presets. I was able to 
>>>>>> change presets this way in ProTools and then save the preset, so 
>>>>>> that I was able to bring it up again by using the preset part of 
>>>>>> the FX window. So, good news on the Ivory front I think.
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 26 Nov 2015, at 09:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>>>>> <clgilland07 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does anyone have any experience running Synthogy Ivory American 
>>>>>>> Concert D on Windows with Reaper?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If so, I am very curious to know how well it worked for you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>>>
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