[Rwp] Ivory?

Sun Nov 29 14:13:05 EST 2015

Actually, I have about 4 external USB drives, so that's not the issue.  They 
all seem to be 5400 RPM though.  It's not a big deal, I just wanted to be 
sure it wasn't something weird going on with my system.

Chris.

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From: <theoreomonster at reaperaccess.com>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Rwp] Ivory?

> Whether you commit or freeze a track in PT or Reaper a new audio file is 
> created in the  project audio folder so it actually does render a file, 
> Just its automatically placed in the audio folder instead of you having 
> control of where to place it.
>
> Also as mentioned in chris bell’s explanation this why its good to have 
> samples on their own drive, record to its own drive and not use your 
> system drive for everything. So while i don’t think an SSD should be your 
> first upgrade i do think you may want to consider picking up a couple of 
> external drives.  Also in the case of PT you may want to consider maxing 
> out the amount of ram your machine can take now that the feature to use 
> the RAM as disc is available in Non HD Pro Tools.
>
>> On Nov 27, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> <clgilland07 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> Thank you for such an absolutely brilliant explanation.  What you say 
>> actually does make a lot of sense.  I have tried committing the Ivery 
>> tracks, but as you said, all that really is doing is bouncing them all 
>> down to an audio track, rather than to a rendered file.  I'm not sure 
>> about Reaper, but ProTools doesn't really per sé, have a freezing option. 
>> It kind of does, with committing, but that's about the closest we have. 
>> You commit/bounce to another audio track any selected tracks, then at the 
>> same time, you also can have it hide the original source tracks, and even 
>> make them inactive.  So I guess, kind of, if you wanna get really 
>> technical, it's a form of a freeze.
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 2:56 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Ivory?
>>
>>
>>> This is relevant to theory for rendering and bouncing for any DAW so 
>>> I'll comment here.
>>>
>>> With sampling based instruments, especially one as heavy as ivory, there 
>>> is a lot of disk i/o going on.
>>> With that many samples
>>> velocity layers, round robin and such it has to slow down to render 
>>> that.
>>> A 5400 rpm drive would really bog down a sample library,
>>> especially one as huge as ivory, one thing you might consider doing is 
>>> to freeze your trak
>>> which may takesome time as well,
>>> but then when you render your project, it should go normally at that 
>>> point.
>>>
>>> There are also certain synths I have used that just don't render well 
>>> with a fast bounce,
>>> and this is why in most good DAW's
>>> there still exists the ability to do it in real time.
>>> Some time certain controlers don't move just like they should,
>>> with a fast bounce,
>>> I've even had one situation and my experience is mostly with sonar but 
>>> this actually happened,
>>> I had a complex aray of stuf going on, and when I rendered with the daw,
>>> some of the stuf wasn't taking.
>>> It would play just fine, but not render with everything like it should.
>>>
>>> I ended up dumping in real time by playing and recording in to another 
>>> set of input tracks,
>>> in real time to get it perfect.
>>> This is a rare occurance,
>>> as most modern vst's and DAW's are designed to sync up together and get 
>>> it all right,
>>> but it can happen.
>>> So it doesn't surprise me that ivory won't go super fast in a render.
>>>
>>> On 11/26/2015 5:28 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>>> OK, you are *just!* the guy I need to speak with!
>>>>
>>>> I can't seem to extract your e-mail address from your message on the 
>>>> list, so others, please forgive me.  I have every single intention of 
>>>> taking this thread off list past this point.
>>>>
>>>> Firstly, here is my e-mail address, so we can converse privately.
>>>>
>>>> clgilland07 at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> OK, so yes, I am trying to use Ivory with Reaper, however, I, too, am 
>>>> using ProTools on the mac.
>>>>
>>>> I'm noticing that when I pop Ivory on an insert, even if only one 
>>>> stereo instrument track and no more, it makes my offline bouncing go to 
>>>> a complete crawl!
>>>>
>>>> The only thing I can think of is, my internal drive isn't solid state, 
>>>> and is only 5400RPM.  I'm not getting any sort of pops, or buffer 
>>>> issues though when recording/monitoring in PT, nor am I getting any 
>>>> artifacts or latency. The only time it's slow is when offline bouncing. 
>>>> The fasting I can get it to go is like maybe 1.2X.
>>>>
>>>> I just didn't know if you had this issue as well.  I mean, this is 
>>>> literally happening even with a session with only one track all total 
>>>> in the whole session, which only has one thing on insert A, which is 
>>>> the Ivory plug. It's totally stupid!
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, let's not clog the reaper list with this any more than already, 
>>>> you have my e-mail, so if you or anyone else has any ideas, I'd be very 
>>>> very grateful for any suggestions, short of getting an SSD.
>>>>
>>>> I can do that come next month, but I'd really rather not, if I don't 
>>>> have to.
>>>>
>>>> Chris.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "onlineeagle via RWP" 
>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>> Cc: "onlineeagle" <onlineeagle at googlemail.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 5:49 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Ivory?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Christopher, I don't have the concert grand, but I have other Ivory 
>>>>> pianos. They all use the same plugin, so my experience will be the 
>>>>> same as yours, regardless of which piano. I haven't used it on Windows 
>>>>> with Reaper yet. I have used it with ProTools on the mac, however, I 
>>>>> can tell you that all the piano options are available as parameters. 
>>>>> Therefore you will be able to do everything you need to do with the 
>>>>> Shift P parameter window in Reaper. This even includes changing the 
>>>>> presets. I was able to change presets this way in ProTools and then 
>>>>> save the preset, so that I was able to bring it up again by using the 
>>>>> preset part of the FX window. So, good news on the Ivory front I 
>>>>> think.
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26 Nov 2015, at 09:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>>>> <clgilland07 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone have any experience running Synthogy Ivory American 
>>>>>> Concert D on Windows with Reaper?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If so, I am very curious to know how well it worked for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>>
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