[Rwp] Ivory?

Sun Nov 29 11:49:20 EST 2015

Whether you commit or freeze a track in PT or Reaper a new audio file is created in the  project audio folder so it actually does render a file, Just its automatically placed in the audio folder instead of you having control of where to place it.  

Also as mentioned in chris bell’s explanation this why its good to have samples on their own drive, record to its own drive and not use your system drive for everything. So while i don’t think an SSD should be your first upgrade i do think you may want to consider picking up a couple of external drives.  Also in the case of PT you may want to consider maxing out the amount of ram your machine can take now that the feature to use the RAM as disc is available in Non HD Pro Tools. 

> On Nov 27, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Chris,
> 
> Thank you for such an absolutely brilliant explanation.  What you say actually does make a lot of sense.  I have tried committing the Ivery tracks, but as you said, all that really is doing is bouncing them all down to an audio track, rather than to a rendered file.  I'm not sure about Reaper, but ProTools doesn't really per sé, have a freezing option.  It kind of does, with committing, but that's about the closest we have.  You commit/bounce to another audio track any selected tracks, then at the same time, you also can have it hide the original source tracks, and even make them inactive.  So I guess, kind of, if you wanna get really technical, it's a form of a freeze.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <cb1963 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 2:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Ivory?
> 
> 
>> This is relevant to theory for rendering and bouncing for any DAW so I'll comment here.
>> 
>> With sampling based instruments, especially one as heavy as ivory, there is a lot of disk i/o going on.
>> With that many samples
>> velocity layers, round robin and such it has to slow down to render that.
>> A 5400 rpm drive would really bog down a sample library,
>> especially one as huge as ivory, one thing you might consider doing is to freeze your trak
>> which may takesome time as well,
>> but then when you render your project, it should go normally at that point.
>> 
>> There are also certain synths I have used that just don't render well with a fast bounce,
>> and this is why in most good DAW's
>> there still exists the ability to do it in real time.
>> Some time certain controlers don't move just like they should,
>> with a fast bounce,
>> I've even had one situation and my experience is mostly with sonar but this actually happened,
>> I had a complex aray of stuf going on, and when I rendered with the daw,
>> some of the stuf wasn't taking.
>> It would play just fine, but not render with everything like it should.
>> 
>> I ended up dumping in real time by playing and recording in to another set of input tracks,
>> in real time to get it perfect.
>> This is a rare occurance,
>> as most modern vst's and DAW's are designed to sync up together and get it all right,
>> but it can happen.
>> So it doesn't surprise me that ivory won't go super fast in a render.
>> 
>> On 11/26/2015 5:28 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> OK, you are *just!* the guy I need to speak with!
>>> 
>>> I can't seem to extract your e-mail address from your message on the list, so others, please forgive me.  I have every single intention of taking this thread off list past this point.
>>> 
>>> Firstly, here is my e-mail address, so we can converse privately.
>>> 
>>> clgilland07 at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> OK, so yes, I am trying to use Ivory with Reaper, however, I, too, am using ProTools on the mac.
>>> 
>>> I'm noticing that when I pop Ivory on an insert, even if only one stereo instrument track and no more, it makes my offline bouncing go to a complete crawl!
>>> 
>>> The only thing I can think of is, my internal drive isn't solid state, and is only 5400RPM.  I'm not getting any sort of pops, or buffer issues though when recording/monitoring in PT, nor am I getting any artifacts or latency. The only time it's slow is when offline bouncing.  The fasting I can get it to go is like maybe 1.2X.
>>> 
>>> I just didn't know if you had this issue as well.  I mean, this is literally happening even with a session with only one track all total in the whole session, which only has one thing on insert A, which is the Ivory plug. It's totally stupid!
>>> 
>>> Anyway, let's not clog the reaper list with this any more than already, you have my e-mail, so if you or anyone else has any ideas, I'd be very very grateful for any suggestions, short of getting an SSD.
>>> 
>>> I can do that come next month, but I'd really rather not, if I don't have to.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "onlineeagle via RWP" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>> Cc: "onlineeagle" <onlineeagle at googlemail.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 5:49 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Ivory?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Hi Christopher, I don't have the concert grand, but I have other Ivory pianos. They all use the same plugin, so my experience will be the same as yours, regardless of which piano. I haven't used it on Windows with Reaper yet. I have used it with ProTools on the mac, however, I can tell you that all the piano options are available as parameters. Therefore you will be able to do everything you need to do with the Shift P parameter window in Reaper. This even includes changing the presets. I was able to change presets this way in ProTools and then save the preset, so that I was able to bring it up again by using the preset part of the FX window. So, good news on the Ivory front I think.
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On 26 Nov 2015, at 09:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Does anyone have any experience running Synthogy Ivory American Concert D on Windows with Reaper?
>>>>> 
>>>>> If so, I am very curious to know how well it worked for you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris.
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