[Rwp] Understanding Envelope Visibility + Should Something Be Done in Osara?

Sun Nov 22 15:51:57 EST 2015

Thanks Jamie. I was just about to file a new issue on Github. :D
Efficiency and stability come first. At the end of the day it's no big
deal as one most likely does not work with a zillion envelopes at
once. :D

2015-11-22 21:31 GMT+01:00, James Teh <jamie at nvaccess.org>:
> Hmm. I assumed that the Track: Select next/previous envelope actions
> were specific to the currently selected track. However, this doesn't
> appear to be the case. That's actually very frustrating and IMO a bit
> silly. I guess a sighted user only displays a couple of envelopes at a
> time.
>
> What I can tell you, though, is that those actions don't select
> envelopes that aren't visible. If you toggle the volume envelope
> visible, you can select it, but if you toggle it again, you can't.
>
>  From what I can see, there's no way to get the track associated with a
> given envelope. There is this weird envelope parameter for tracks, but
> note the singular "envelope", not "envelopes". Also, even if that did
> work somehow, I'd have to search every track to find the envelope, which
> is horribly inefficient.
>
> Jamie
>
> On 23/11/2015 5:06 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>> So far as I understand it, the API doesn't seem to output any
>> specifics of what track an envelope belongs to. But hey, there's every
>> chance I'm understanding things wrong. Jamie will know for sure, so
>> get it on GitHub.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On 11/22/15, Matej Golian <matej.golian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks for the valuable info, Scott. Now I finally get it. :D
>>> I thought about it more and I will certainly make a Github request
>>> sometime soon. I thought of an alternative solution. Maybe it can't be
>>> done this way either, but it's worth a try. I wonder whether Osara
>>> could potentially identify which track a particular envelope belongs
>>> to, if it was selected. If it could, perhaps an Osara configuration
>>> option could be added to also announce the track name when cycling
>>> through all the visible envelopes. I guess this would be more than
>>> enough. Maybe it's the same thing as cycling only between envelopes of
>>> a particular track and it therefore might not work, but I guess Jamie
>>> will have to be the judge of that. :D
>>>
>>> 2015-11-22 18:36 GMT+01:00, Scott Chesworth <scottchesworth at gmail.com>:
>>>> So far as I know, there's no info provided by the Reaper API that
>>>> OSARA can use to display envelopes specific to the track you're
>>>> currently on, hence why OSARA cycles envelopes for all tracks at the
>>>> moment. I think it's worth opening as an issue on GitHub though. Worst
>>>> that might happen is that Jamie will look into it, explain why it
>>>> can't be done if he can't find a way to hack around the limitation,
>>>> and close the issue. Even if that happens, you'll have a bit more
>>>> insight into the problem and could potentially take that to the Reaper
>>>> developers and ask for specific improvements to their API in this
>>>> area.
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> On 11/22/15, Matej Golian <matej.golian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Thanks a lot. Now I have one more thing to experiment with. :D
>>>>> Hope someone can say more about this though as it is still very
>>>>> unclear
>>>>> to
>>>>> me.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2015-11-22 15:32 GMT+01:00, onlineeagle via RWP
>>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>:
>>>>>> Hi, I am very new to this this, but in answer to your first question,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> believe Shipt O will only show the envelopes on the track you're
>>>>>> focused
>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 21 Nov 2015, at 11:22, Matej Golian <matej.golian at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi again folks,
>>>>>>> it's nothing urgent, because I don't need to work with envelopes
>>>>>>> yet,
>>>>>>> but I'll most likely do something with them in the future.
>>>>>>> Regardless
>>>>>>> I'm trying to understand how they work.
>>>>>>> Could someone please explain to me how toggling envelope visibility
>>>>>>> works? Specifically, I'd like to know the relationship between
>>>>>>> selecting tracks and switching between active envelopes. The thing I
>>>>>>> can't understand is this.
>>>>>>> Say I have a project with 2 tracks. I move to the first track, press
>>>>>>> ctrl+alt+v and than verify with ctrl+l that the volume envelope is
>>>>>>> indeed active.
>>>>>>> Next I move to the second track and press ctrl+alt+p to make the pan
>>>>>>> envelope visible. This works as well, but I can't understand why
>>>>>>> ctrl+l always switches between the volume and pan envelopes
>>>>>>> regardless
>>>>>>> of the currently focused track. I thought that it would only give me
>>>>>>> the volume envelope when the first track has focus and only the pan
>>>>>>> envelope when the second track has focus. So, does ctrl+l switch
>>>>>>> between envelopes across all tracks or am I going about this all
>>>>>>> wrong?
>>>>>>> My second question is, how well do envelopes work with the new
>>>>>>> focusable master track (switching, toggling and so on)? Does it
>>>>>>> already behave like any other track when it has focus using Osara or
>>>>>>> does further 'envelope support' have to be added? Also would it be
>>>>>>> useful if the master track responded to the Track: View Envelopes
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> Current Track action or is this irrelevant in case of the master
>>>>>>> track?
>>>>>>> I would file an issue On Github, but first I have to understand how
>>>>>>> envelopes work. Or maybe someone who frequently uses them could do
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> instead. Just a thought.
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>> Matej
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