[Rwp] Slightly OT but maybe GREAT news about accessability

Wed Mar 18 22:56:26 EDT 2015

Scott,
Yep, badly off topic.  And, when the screen reader pep rally stops, I'll get
off it too.
Thanks for helpful suggestions.  I really appreciate that.  I tried those
things, but the problem remains.
Says something like , grouped by, expanded, created etc before each message.

-----Original Message-----
From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Chesworth via RWP
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 8:42 PM
To: Reapers Without Peepers
Subject: Re: [Rwp] Slightly OT but maybe GREAT news about accessability

Yo Jim,

Veering wildly off topic here, but I don't like the thought of you
being sad. Two thoughts that might prevent it. Is that message list
defined as a table? If so, using table navigation commands to move to
the column you're interested in and tabling down from there might do
the trick. Or if you don't like holding down that many keys, perhaps
turning off "Announce table row/column headers" in NVDA
preferences/Document formatting might get it to talk less.

Hth a bit

Scott

On 3/18/15, Jim Snowbarger via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
> Yeah,  everything sucks but NVDA.  Everybody here knows that.  I wish you
> would tell that to NVDA and how it sucks with Outlook 2013 on my machine.
> Down arrow through the message list, and hear the column headers repeated
> before each message.  Very nice.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Chris Belle
> via RWP
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 3:54 PM
> To: Reapers Without Peepers
> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Slightly OT but maybe GREAT news about accessability
>
> Yeh, my experience is the same concerning a much simpler program
> lightscribe
> simple labeler.
> Works with QT and works best with NVDA.
>
> I'm finding most things seem to work better with NVDA these days, and Jaws
> and window-eyes are sucking worse and worse.
>
>
>
> On 3/17/2015 6:39 PM, Patrick Perdue via RWP wrote:
>> QT accessibility has changed even in the last year or so.
>> In many cases, developers can simply compile with the latest QT
>> libraries, and by default, gain more accessibility without trying.
>> It's still not amazing at it's best, though NVDA reads QT apps out of
>> the box better than any Windows screen reader, as far as I'm aware.
>> In terms of audio stuff I use every day, Izotope RX is the best
>> example I can think of. I can get around most of the interface with
>> NVDA without any kind of scripting, though it is a bit odd, and when I
>> last tried with Jaws, it was mostly useless.
>>
>> This tool might help, though as many have said, this has yet to be
>> seen in real-world applications.
>>
>> On 3/17/2015 4:55 PM, Rusty Perez via RWP wrote:
>>> Yes, I have a very good example of this.
>>> I purchased a BeatBuddy last year. This is a guitar pedal style drum
>>> machine. The content managing software is completely inaccessible. It
>>> was developed in QT which I understand has accessibility features, but
>>> they were totally ignored. So I'm hoping that this solution might
>>> help.
>>>
>>> To be honest, the description makes it sound as though this could be
>>> dangerous technology in the hands of the right people, but I'm glad it
>>> can help us.
>>>
>>> Anyway, we'll see!
>>> Rusty
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/17/15, Chris Belle via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>> I heard about this over on midimag.
>>>>
>>>> We'll have to see how it goes.
>>>>
>>>> The issue mostly these days is that developer tools that can write
>>>> cross
>>>> platform
>>>> ie, both mac and windows can be made a lot more accessible but no dev
>>>> wants to code their stuff twice.
>>>>
>>>> So these third party dev tools don't do it in a way which promotes the
>>>> accessibility
>>>> so we're left screen-scraping.
>>>> instead of having programming objects to get hold of.
>>>>
>>>> So I'm just really curious how this thing is gonna work to get hold of
>>>> information when there are no programatical
>>>> objects exposed,
>>>> well, you know someplace along the line.
>>>> that pretty picture turns in to an instruction set, and issues a
>>>> command,
>>>> so maybe the found a way.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/17/2015 2:58 PM, Jim Snowbarger via RWP wrote:
>>>>> Rusty,
>>>>> I haven't heard of this.  But, take the plunge, and let us know if
>>>>> your
>>>>> system still works afterword.  <grin>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Rusty
>>>>> Perez
>>>>> via RWP
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 2:45 PM
>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>>>> Subject: [Rwp] Slightly OT but maybe GREAT news about accessability
>>>>>
>>>>> Following is a link to a demonstration of a program called AT Prime
>>>>> which
>>>>> calls itself an accessability optimizer for windows.
>>>>> www.blindbargains.com/bargains.php?m=12436
>>>>>
>>>>> It sounds really intriguing basically digging deep in to windows to
>>>>> pull
>>>>> information normally unavailable to windows screen readers.
>>>>> I'm hoping it will open up a world of unaccessible plugins ETC.
>>>>>
>>>>> rusty
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