[Rwp] ditching ReAccess for good?

Thu Mar 5 15:07:18 EST 2015

Smile! shift+p from the track view, and you'll see a complete list of 
the parameters with relative values.

Il 05/03/2015 20:53, Rusty Perez via RWP ha scritto:
> I'm embarrassed to admit this, but I'm having trouble figuring out how
> to tweak perameters.
> I go in to add an effect, type in a word like eq I choose the Cockos
> ReaEqand when I'm dropped in to where I think the perameters should
> be, I can't quite find where to make adjustments. I use the NVDA
> screen review and see them there, but can't tab to where I can make
> changes.
>
> Any help for this idiot?
>
> Thanks!
> Rusty\
>
> On 3/5/15, Chris Belle via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>> Sweet.
>>
>>
>> On 3/5/2015 12:45 PM, Patrick Perdue via RWP wrote:
>>> Yeah, and if you look at some of those plugins in a text editor, they
>>> do a lot without a ton of code. Obviously, it connects to an engine
>>> for everything, but still...
>>>
>>> I just did a project where I tracked a bunch of things out through my
>>> TC Helicon VoiceWorks, which has a bit of latency when using midi
>>> input. Instead of moving/nudging a bunch of items, I put all the
>>> voiceworks tracks in a folder, then put the JS time delayer effect on
>>> that folder, and used a negative value to slide them all back to match
>>> the other tracks. Saved a bunch of seconds of manual editing.
>>>
>>> On 3/5/2015 1:33 PM, Chris Belle via RWP wrote:
>>>> I'm finding some really likeable plugs in the js stuff.
>>>>
>>>> Not bad for a discount DAW 'grin'.
>>>>
>>>> On 3/4/2015 12:15 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>> Well, for the time being I think I'll use sonar for midi, and if I
>>>>> want reaper in the mix for audio, I'll rewire it.
>>>>>
>>>>> That way I get the best of what each tool was really designed to do.
>>>>> I know it's fake and hacky,
>>>>> but reapers elegant way of handling lots of audio chunks at once
>>>>> makes it ideal for long spoken word projects with lots of out of
>>>>> control dynamics.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want to quickly normalize and level out that sort of thing
>>>>> without slamming everything down with a compressor, and keep it
>>>>> natural sounding, reaper is ideal for that sort of thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> And having easy volume control of each chunk after the fact
>>>>> though not quite as good as actually being able to edit automation is
>>>>> close enough most of the time.
>>>>> Poor old sonar just struggles when you say, try and normalize several
>>>>> hundred clips at once, something reaper does in a couple seconds
>>>>> literally takes 20 minutes with sonar,
>>>>> and as far as I can tell, you still can't independantly normalize each
>>>>> audio chunk.
>>>>> not in a batch process anyway,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it's still trying to treat it like a single piece, of audio,
>>>>> so that might be what's
>>>>> taking so long, I know we have tools like the levelator, but that
>>>>> thing does funny things sometimes, and you have no control of how it
>>>>> decides to deal with certain chunks.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure what the practical difference is in heal splits or glue
>>>>> items is, but I tried both, and I was pleasantly suprised
>>>>> when I was working with this big spoken word reading I've been
>>>>> practicing with,
>>>>> when I normalized the items and glued them, that worked pretty well,
>>>>> but I still had some level differences, and things I didn't like which
>>>>> I would have had to fix manually, but when I chose the heal splits in
>>>>> items, that seems to level everything out,
>>>>> better than just gluin the items back together,
>>>>> did,
>>>>> Fun times.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/3/2015 11:34 PM, Patrick Perdue via RWP wrote:
>>>>>> Speaking of midi, I really hope reaper 5's implementation of mtc/midi
>>>>>> clock is better than 3/4, which seem about the same to me. Now that I
>>>>>> am playing with a bunch of outboard gear, I am learning the hard way
>>>>>> that Reaper's built-in stuff for handling that isn't so awesome.
>>>>>> I wrote about that earlier this week, so I won't go into those
>>>>>> details again, but other people on forums are complaining about it
>>>>>> too.
>>>>>> Using a JS midi clock/MTC generator fixes some of those problems, but
>>>>>> is less straight-forward to implement.
>>>>>> There is also no way to just run the midi clock while the project
>>>>>> isn't in play/record, which is a bit of a bummer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/3/2015 4:32 PM, Chris Belle via RWP wrote:
>>>>>>> When I was messin about with some gnome and orca based stuff, I was
>>>>>>> messing with audacity a little bit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pretty primitive
>>>>>>> compared to sonar,
>>>>>>> now if you're an audio guy primarily, reaper is sweet, but if you
>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>> midi, then reaper I don't think is quite there yet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's getting better though,
>>>>>>> and now I am a fully licensed member of the reaper
>>>>>>> gang, i've screwed around with it enough so I just bought it.
>>>>>>> I'll say one thing, they sure make it easy to license.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I love the we're gonna trust our customers atitude too,
>>>>>>> I mean 60 bucks is chump change.
>>>>>>> So
>>>>>>> we shall see what the future brings.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/3/2015 2:33 PM, Rusty Perez via RWP wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I used NAMA a command-line based multi-track recorder with some
>>>>>>>> editing and effects features.
>>>>>>>> It is built on a very robust audio engine, but the interface is,
>>>>>>>> primarily, command-line based. You must enter commands at each
>>>>>>>> step of
>>>>>>>> the process.
>>>>>>>> they've begun to implement a key command interface but it was in its
>>>>>>>> infancy when I last tried it.
>>>>>>>> Now, admittedly I last used it, ummm, fall of 2013 I believe.
>>>>>>>> For what it's worth, I got some relatively respectable results,
>>>>>>>> considdering I had NEVER recorded and mixed my own album in the
>>>>>>>> past.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> there are all kinds of work-arounds and outboard applications which
>>>>>>>> must be used for midi, and, though there are some ways to use midi
>>>>>>>> compatible control surfaces the process is by no means very
>>>>>>>> transparent.
>>>>>>>> I was able to use a foot pedal to start and stop recording and
>>>>>>>> rewind
>>>>>>>> ETC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't want to denigrate the project. It let me record my music,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> there are some for whom it is really easy to use. Part of that is
>>>>>>>> fueled by an anti-windows mentality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> anyway, I think reaper will be my DAW of choice just because it's a
>>>>>>>> bit more straight forward and easier for this musician to
>>>>>>>> understand.
>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rusty
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/3/15, Chris Belle via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Rusty, this is Chris Belle.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good to see you over here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm slowly becoming a reaper guy, having been so solidly rooted in
>>>>>>>>> sonar
>>>>>>>>> land for so long, it's surely a different way of doing things, but
>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>> things I like better, and some things I hate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But it'll be another useful tool to add, you don't necessarily
>>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>>> pick one or the other, I'm curious about which linux option you
>>>>>>>>> found to
>>>>>>>>> be useful as I have played some with linux distros, and the new
>>>>>>>>> ones are
>>>>>>>>> pretty amazing with what you can do right out of the gate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For the ordinary human that is.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because reaccess is abandon ware,
>>>>>>>>> and there's no way to fix the bugs in it, or make it work better
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> newer versions of reaper, I think that osara is the future,
>>>>>>>>> and I have a lot of confidence in Jamie, who has done work for me
>>>>>>>>> before,
>>>>>>>>> and I love NVDA anyway, so it's a win, win situation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> yes, there were some things I liked about how reaccess did things,
>>>>>>>>> the training mode, and some things voiced better, but it's early
>>>>>>>>> days
>>>>>>>>> for osara, and I think especially if we cough up donations and keep
>>>>>>>>> Jamie busy, he'll improve it for us, and since it's open source,
>>>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>>> can grab the source code and improve it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So that's another win, win situation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Since reaccess will never be developed any more, you're stuck with
>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>> it is, so if it does everything you want, fine, but if you want
>>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>>> else, then I say out with the old, and in with the new.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not necessarily
>>>>>>>>> a guy who always goes for the latest and greatest,
>>>>>>>>> I'm a firm believer in if it ain't broke, don't fix it, but there
>>>>>>>>> comes
>>>>>>>>> a time when you have to change the tires or slide off the street
>>>>>>>>> 'grin'.
>>>>>>>>> So, act accordingly to your needs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/3/2015 12:32 PM, Rusty Perez via RWP wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>>> Well, I'm diving in to Reaper.
>>>>>>>>>> Just for background. I recorded a solo holiday project two
>>>>>>>>>> years ago
>>>>>>>>>> using an accessible multi-track recorder on Linux. while I love
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> idea of the freedom and availability of accessible software on
>>>>>>>>>> Linux,
>>>>>>>>>> it is clear that Reaper offers many more readily available
>>>>>>>>>> features
>>>>>>>>>> and it's a lot more accessible to the less technical--like
>>>>>>>>>> myself--in
>>>>>>>>>> more ways than just blind accessible. No disrespect meant in the
>>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>>> to the application I used before. I just think I can be more
>>>>>>>>>> productive using Reaper.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have Reaper and reaccess which I installed last year.
>>>>>>>>>> Is there ANY REASON to keep Reaccess on my system, or should I
>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>> ditch it and run with OSARA?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> thanks!
>>>>>>>>>> Rusty
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