[Rwp] ditching ReAccess for good?

Rusty Perez rustys.lists at gmail.com
Thu Mar 5 14:53:50 EST 2015 

I'm embarrassed to admit this, but I'm having trouble figuring out how
to tweak perameters.
I go in to add an effect, type in a word like eq I choose the Cockos
ReaEqand when I'm dropped in to where I think the perameters should
be, I can't quite find where to make adjustments. I use the NVDA
screen review and see them there, but can't tab to where I can make
changes.

Any help for this idiot?

Thanks!
Rusty\

On 3/5/15, Chris Belle via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
> Sweet.
>
>
> On 3/5/2015 12:45 PM, Patrick Perdue via RWP wrote:
>> Yeah, and if you look at some of those plugins in a text editor, they
>> do a lot without a ton of code. Obviously, it connects to an engine
>> for everything, but still...
>>
>> I just did a project where I tracked a bunch of things out through my
>> TC Helicon VoiceWorks, which has a bit of latency when using midi
>> input. Instead of moving/nudging a bunch of items, I put all the
>> voiceworks tracks in a folder, then put the JS time delayer effect on
>> that folder, and used a negative value to slide them all back to match
>> the other tracks. Saved a bunch of seconds of manual editing.
>>
>> On 3/5/2015 1:33 PM, Chris Belle via RWP wrote:
>>> I'm finding some really likeable plugs in the js stuff.
>>>
>>> Not bad for a discount DAW 'grin'.
>>>
>>> On 3/4/2015 12:15 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>> Well, for the time being I think I'll use sonar for midi, and if I
>>>> want reaper in the mix for audio, I'll rewire it.
>>>>
>>>> That way I get the best of what each tool was really designed to do.
>>>> I know it's fake and hacky,
>>>> but reapers elegant way of handling lots of audio chunks at once
>>>> makes it ideal for long spoken word projects with lots of out of
>>>> control dynamics.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to quickly normalize and level out that sort of thing
>>>> without slamming everything down with a compressor, and keep it
>>>> natural sounding, reaper is ideal for that sort of thing.
>>>>
>>>> And having easy volume control of each chunk after the fact
>>>> though not quite as good as actually being able to edit automation is
>>>> close enough most of the time.
>>>> Poor old sonar just struggles when you say, try and normalize several
>>>> hundred clips at once, something reaper does in a couple seconds
>>>> literally takes 20 minutes with sonar,
>>>> and as far as I can tell, you still can't independantly normalize each
>>>> audio chunk.
>>>> not in a batch process anyway,
>>>>
>>>> I think it's still trying to treat it like a single piece, of audio,
>>>> so that might be what's
>>>> taking so long, I know we have tools like the levelator, but that
>>>> thing does funny things sometimes, and you have no control of how it
>>>> decides to deal with certain chunks.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure what the practical difference is in heal splits or glue
>>>> items is, but I tried both, and I was pleasantly suprised
>>>> when I was working with this big spoken word reading I've been
>>>> practicing with,
>>>> when I normalized the items and glued them, that worked pretty well,
>>>> but I still had some level differences, and things I didn't like which
>>>> I would have had to fix manually, but when I chose the heal splits in
>>>> items, that seems to level everything out,
>>>> better than just gluin the items back together,
>>>> did,
>>>> Fun times.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/3/2015 11:34 PM, Patrick Perdue via RWP wrote:
>>>>> Speaking of midi, I really hope reaper 5's implementation of mtc/midi
>>>>> clock is better than 3/4, which seem about the same to me. Now that I
>>>>> am playing with a bunch of outboard gear, I am learning the hard way
>>>>> that Reaper's built-in stuff for handling that isn't so awesome.
>>>>> I wrote about that earlier this week, so I won't go into those
>>>>> details again, but other people on forums are complaining about it
>>>>> too.
>>>>> Using a JS midi clock/MTC generator fixes some of those problems, but
>>>>> is less straight-forward to implement.
>>>>> There is also no way to just run the midi clock while the project
>>>>> isn't in play/record, which is a bit of a bummer.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/3/2015 4:32 PM, Chris Belle via RWP wrote:
>>>>>> When I was messin about with some gnome and orca based stuff, I was
>>>>>> messing with audacity a little bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pretty primitive
>>>>>> compared to sonar,
>>>>>> now if you're an audio guy primarily, reaper is sweet, but if you
>>>>>> love
>>>>>> midi, then reaper I don't think is quite there yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's getting better though,
>>>>>> and now I am a fully licensed member of the reaper
>>>>>> gang, i've screwed around with it enough so I just bought it.
>>>>>> I'll say one thing, they sure make it easy to license.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I love the we're gonna trust our customers atitude too,
>>>>>> I mean 60 bucks is chump change.
>>>>>> So
>>>>>> we shall see what the future brings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/3/2015 2:33 PM, Rusty Perez via RWP wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I used NAMA a command-line based multi-track recorder with some
>>>>>>> editing and effects features.
>>>>>>> It is built on a very robust audio engine, but the interface is,
>>>>>>> primarily, command-line based. You must enter commands at each
>>>>>>> step of
>>>>>>> the process.
>>>>>>> they've begun to implement a key command interface but it was in its
>>>>>>> infancy when I last tried it.
>>>>>>> Now, admittedly I last used it, ummm, fall of 2013 I believe.
>>>>>>> For what it's worth, I got some relatively respectable results,
>>>>>>> considdering I had NEVER recorded and mixed my own album in the
>>>>>>> past.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> there are all kinds of work-arounds and outboard applications which
>>>>>>> must be used for midi, and, though there are some ways to use midi
>>>>>>> compatible control surfaces the process is by no means very
>>>>>>> transparent.
>>>>>>> I was able to use a foot pedal to start and stop recording and
>>>>>>> rewind
>>>>>>> ETC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't want to denigrate the project. It let me record my music,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> there are some for whom it is really easy to use. Part of that is
>>>>>>> fueled by an anti-windows mentality.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> anyway, I think reaper will be my DAW of choice just because it's a
>>>>>>> bit more straight forward and easier for this musician to
>>>>>>> understand.
>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rusty
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/3/15, Chris Belle via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Rusty, this is Chris Belle.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good to see you over here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm slowly becoming a reaper guy, having been so solidly rooted in
>>>>>>>> sonar
>>>>>>>> land for so long, it's surely a different way of doing things, but
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> things I like better, and some things I hate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But it'll be another useful tool to add, you don't necessarily
>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>> pick one or the other, I'm curious about which linux option you
>>>>>>>> found to
>>>>>>>> be useful as I have played some with linux distros, and the new
>>>>>>>> ones are
>>>>>>>> pretty amazing with what you can do right out of the gate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For the ordinary human that is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because reaccess is abandon ware,
>>>>>>>> and there's no way to fix the bugs in it, or make it work better
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> newer versions of reaper, I think that osara is the future,
>>>>>>>> and I have a lot of confidence in Jamie, who has done work for me
>>>>>>>> before,
>>>>>>>> and I love NVDA anyway, so it's a win, win situation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> yes, there were some things I liked about how reaccess did things,
>>>>>>>> the training mode, and some things voiced better, but it's early
>>>>>>>> days
>>>>>>>> for osara, and I think especially if we cough up donations and keep
>>>>>>>> Jamie busy, he'll improve it for us, and since it's open source,
>>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>> can grab the source code and improve it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So that's another win, win situation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since reaccess will never be developed any more, you're stuck with
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> it is, so if it does everything you want, fine, but if you want
>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>> else, then I say out with the old, and in with the new.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not necessarily
>>>>>>>> a guy who always goes for the latest and greatest,
>>>>>>>> I'm a firm believer in if it ain't broke, don't fix it, but there
>>>>>>>> comes
>>>>>>>> a time when you have to change the tires or slide off the street
>>>>>>>> 'grin'.
>>>>>>>> So, act accordingly to your needs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/3/2015 12:32 PM, Rusty Perez via RWP wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>> Well, I'm diving in to Reaper.
>>>>>>>>> Just for background. I recorded a solo holiday project two
>>>>>>>>> years ago
>>>>>>>>> using an accessible multi-track recorder on Linux. while I love
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> idea of the freedom and availability of accessible software on
>>>>>>>>> Linux,
>>>>>>>>> it is clear that Reaper offers many more readily available
>>>>>>>>> features
>>>>>>>>> and it's a lot more accessible to the less technical--like
>>>>>>>>> myself--in
>>>>>>>>> more ways than just blind accessible. No disrespect meant in the
>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>> to the application I used before. I just think I can be more
>>>>>>>>> productive using Reaper.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have Reaper and reaccess which I installed last year.
>>>>>>>>> Is there ANY REASON to keep Reaccess on my system, or should I
>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>> ditch it and run with OSARA?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thanks!
>>>>>>>>> Rusty
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