[Rwp] ditching ReAccess for good?

Thu Mar 5 14:18:04 EST 2015

Sweet.

On 3/5/2015 12:45 PM, Patrick Perdue via RWP wrote:
> Yeah, and if you look at some of those plugins in a text editor, they 
> do a lot without a ton of code. Obviously, it connects to an engine 
> for everything, but still...
>
> I just did a project where I tracked a bunch of things out through my 
> TC Helicon VoiceWorks, which has a bit of latency when using midi 
> input. Instead of moving/nudging a bunch of items, I put all the 
> voiceworks tracks in a folder, then put the JS time delayer effect on 
> that folder, and used a negative value to slide them all back to match 
> the other tracks. Saved a bunch of seconds of manual editing.
>
> On 3/5/2015 1:33 PM, Chris Belle via RWP wrote:
>> I'm finding some really likeable plugs in the js stuff.
>>
>> Not bad for a discount DAW 'grin'.
>>
>> On 3/4/2015 12:15 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>> Well, for the time being I think I'll use sonar for midi, and if I
>>> want reaper in the mix for audio, I'll rewire it.
>>>
>>> That way I get the best of what each tool was really designed to do.
>>> I know it's fake and hacky,
>>> but reapers elegant way of handling lots of audio chunks at once
>>> makes it ideal for long spoken word projects with lots of out of
>>> control dynamics.
>>>
>>> If you want to quickly normalize and level out that sort of thing
>>> without slamming everything down with a compressor, and keep it
>>> natural sounding, reaper is ideal for that sort of thing.
>>>
>>> And having easy volume control of each chunk after the fact
>>> though not quite as good as actually being able to edit automation is
>>> close enough most of the time.
>>> Poor old sonar just struggles when you say, try and normalize several
>>> hundred clips at once, something reaper does in a couple seconds
>>> literally takes 20 minutes with sonar,
>>> and as far as I can tell, you still can't independantly normalize each
>>> audio chunk.
>>> not in a batch process anyway,
>>>
>>> I think it's still trying to treat it like a single piece, of audio,
>>> so that might be what's
>>> taking so long, I know we have tools like the levelator, but that
>>> thing does funny things sometimes, and you have no control of how it
>>> decides to deal with certain chunks.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what the practical difference is in heal splits or glue
>>> items is, but I tried both, and I was pleasantly suprised
>>> when I was working with this big spoken word reading I've been
>>> practicing with,
>>> when I normalized the items and glued them, that worked pretty well,
>>> but I still had some level differences, and things I didn't like which
>>> I would have had to fix manually, but when I chose the heal splits in
>>> items, that seems to level everything out,
>>> better than just gluin the items back together,
>>> did,
>>> Fun times.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/3/2015 11:34 PM, Patrick Perdue via RWP wrote:
>>>> Speaking of midi, I really hope reaper 5's implementation of mtc/midi
>>>> clock is better than 3/4, which seem about the same to me. Now that I
>>>> am playing with a bunch of outboard gear, I am learning the hard way
>>>> that Reaper's built-in stuff for handling that isn't so awesome.
>>>> I wrote about that earlier this week, so I won't go into those
>>>> details again, but other people on forums are complaining about it 
>>>> too.
>>>> Using a JS midi clock/MTC generator fixes some of those problems, but
>>>> is less straight-forward to implement.
>>>> There is also no way to just run the midi clock while the project
>>>> isn't in play/record, which is a bit of a bummer.
>>>>
>>>> On 3/3/2015 4:32 PM, Chris Belle via RWP wrote:
>>>>> When I was messin about with some gnome and orca based stuff, I was
>>>>> messing with audacity a little bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pretty primitive
>>>>> compared to sonar,
>>>>> now if you're an audio guy primarily, reaper is sweet, but if you 
>>>>> love
>>>>> midi, then reaper I don't think is quite there yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's getting better though,
>>>>> and now I am a fully licensed member of the reaper
>>>>> gang, i've screwed around with it enough so I just bought it.
>>>>> I'll say one thing, they sure make it easy to license.
>>>>>
>>>>> I love the we're gonna trust our customers atitude too,
>>>>> I mean 60 bucks is chump change.
>>>>> So
>>>>> we shall see what the future brings.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/3/2015 2:33 PM, Rusty Perez via RWP wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I used NAMA a command-line based multi-track recorder with some
>>>>>> editing and effects features.
>>>>>> It is built on a very robust audio engine, but the interface is,
>>>>>> primarily, command-line based. You must enter commands at each 
>>>>>> step of
>>>>>> the process.
>>>>>> they've begun to implement a key command interface but it was in its
>>>>>> infancy when I last tried it.
>>>>>> Now, admittedly I last used it, ummm, fall of 2013 I believe.
>>>>>> For what it's worth, I got some relatively respectable results,
>>>>>> considdering I had NEVER recorded and mixed my own album in the 
>>>>>> past.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> there are all kinds of work-arounds and outboard applications which
>>>>>> must be used for midi, and, though there are some ways to use midi
>>>>>> compatible control surfaces the process is by no means very
>>>>>> transparent.
>>>>>> I was able to use a foot pedal to start and stop recording and 
>>>>>> rewind
>>>>>> ETC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't want to denigrate the project. It let me record my music, 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> there are some for whom it is really easy to use. Part of that is
>>>>>> fueled by an anti-windows mentality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> anyway, I think reaper will be my DAW of choice just because it's a
>>>>>> bit more straight forward and easier for this musician to 
>>>>>> understand.
>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rusty
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/3/15, Chris Belle via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Rusty, this is Chris Belle.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good to see you over here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm slowly becoming a reaper guy, having been so solidly rooted in
>>>>>>> sonar
>>>>>>> land for so long, it's surely a different way of doing things, but
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> things I like better, and some things I hate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But it'll be another useful tool to add, you don't necessarily
>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>> pick one or the other, I'm curious about which linux option you
>>>>>>> found to
>>>>>>> be useful as I have played some with linux distros, and the new
>>>>>>> ones are
>>>>>>> pretty amazing with what you can do right out of the gate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For the ordinary human that is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because reaccess is abandon ware,
>>>>>>> and there's no way to fix the bugs in it, or make it work better 
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> newer versions of reaper, I think that osara is the future,
>>>>>>> and I have a lot of confidence in Jamie, who has done work for me
>>>>>>> before,
>>>>>>> and I love NVDA anyway, so it's a win, win situation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes, there were some things I liked about how reaccess did things,
>>>>>>> the training mode, and some things voiced better, but it's early 
>>>>>>> days
>>>>>>> for osara, and I think especially if we cough up donations and keep
>>>>>>> Jamie busy, he'll improve it for us, and since it's open source,
>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>> can grab the source code and improve it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So that's another win, win situation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since reaccess will never be developed any more, you're stuck with
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> it is, so if it does everything you want, fine, but if you want
>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>> else, then I say out with the old, and in with the new.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not necessarily
>>>>>>> a guy who always goes for the latest and greatest,
>>>>>>> I'm a firm believer in if it ain't broke, don't fix it, but there
>>>>>>> comes
>>>>>>> a time when you have to change the tires or slide off the street
>>>>>>> 'grin'.
>>>>>>> So, act accordingly to your needs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/3/2015 12:32 PM, Rusty Perez via RWP wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>> Well, I'm diving in to Reaper.
>>>>>>>> Just for background. I recorded a solo holiday project two 
>>>>>>>> years ago
>>>>>>>> using an accessible multi-track recorder on Linux. while I love 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> idea of the freedom and availability of accessible software on
>>>>>>>> Linux,
>>>>>>>> it is clear that Reaper offers many more readily available 
>>>>>>>> features
>>>>>>>> and it's a lot more accessible to the less technical--like
>>>>>>>> myself--in
>>>>>>>> more ways than just blind accessible. No disrespect meant in the
>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>> to the application I used before. I just think I can be more
>>>>>>>> productive using Reaper.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have Reaper and reaccess which I installed last year.
>>>>>>>> Is there ANY REASON to keep Reaccess on my system, or should I 
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> ditch it and run with OSARA?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks!
>>>>>>>> Rusty
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