[Rwp] ditching ReAccess for good?

Thu Mar 5 13:45:18 EST 2015

Yeah, and if you look at some of those plugins in a text editor, they do 
a lot without a ton of code. Obviously, it connects to an engine for 
everything, but still...

I just did a project where I tracked a bunch of things out through my TC 
Helicon VoiceWorks, which has a bit of latency when using midi input. 
Instead of moving/nudging a bunch of items, I put all the voiceworks 
tracks in a folder, then put the JS time delayer effect on that folder, 
and used a negative value to slide them all back to match the other 
tracks. Saved a bunch of seconds of manual editing.

On 3/5/2015 1:33 PM, Chris Belle via RWP wrote:
> I'm finding some really likeable plugs in the js stuff.
>
> Not bad for a discount DAW 'grin'.
>
> On 3/4/2015 12:15 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>> Well, for the time being I think I'll use sonar for midi, and if I
>> want reaper in the mix for audio, I'll rewire it.
>>
>> That way I get the best of what each tool was really designed to do.
>> I know it's fake and hacky,
>> but reapers elegant way of handling lots of audio chunks at once
>> makes it ideal for long spoken word projects with lots of out of
>> control dynamics.
>>
>> If you want to quickly normalize and level out that sort of thing
>> without slamming everything down with a compressor, and keep it
>> natural sounding, reaper is ideal for that sort of thing.
>>
>> And having easy volume control of each chunk after the fact
>> though not quite as good as actually being able to edit automation is
>> close enough most of the time.
>> Poor old sonar just struggles when you say, try and normalize several
>> hundred clips at once, something reaper does in a couple seconds
>> literally takes 20 minutes with sonar,
>> and as far as I can tell, you still can't independantly normalize each
>> audio chunk.
>> not in a batch process anyway,
>>
>> I think it's still trying to treat it like a single piece, of audio,
>> so that might be what's
>> taking so long, I know we have tools like the levelator, but that
>> thing does funny things sometimes, and you have no control of how it
>> decides to deal with certain chunks.
>>
>> I'm not sure what the practical difference is in heal splits or glue
>> items is, but I tried both, and I was pleasantly suprised
>> when I was working with this big spoken word reading I've been
>> practicing with,
>> when I normalized the items and glued them, that worked pretty well,
>> but I still had some level differences, and things I didn't like which
>> I would have had to fix manually, but when I chose the heal splits in
>> items, that seems to level everything out,
>> better than just gluin the items back together,
>> did,
>> Fun times.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/3/2015 11:34 PM, Patrick Perdue via RWP wrote:
>>> Speaking of midi, I really hope reaper 5's implementation of mtc/midi
>>> clock is better than 3/4, which seem about the same to me. Now that I
>>> am playing with a bunch of outboard gear, I am learning the hard way
>>> that Reaper's built-in stuff for handling that isn't so awesome.
>>> I wrote about that earlier this week, so I won't go into those
>>> details again, but other people on forums are complaining about it too.
>>> Using a JS midi clock/MTC generator fixes some of those problems, but
>>> is less straight-forward to implement.
>>> There is also no way to just run the midi clock while the project
>>> isn't in play/record, which is a bit of a bummer.
>>>
>>> On 3/3/2015 4:32 PM, Chris Belle via RWP wrote:
>>>> When I was messin about with some gnome and orca based stuff, I was
>>>> messing with audacity a little bit.
>>>>
>>>> Pretty primitive
>>>> compared to sonar,
>>>> now if you're an audio guy primarily, reaper is sweet, but if you love
>>>> midi, then reaper I don't think is quite there yet.
>>>>
>>>> It's getting better though,
>>>> and now I am a fully licensed member of the reaper
>>>> gang, i've screwed around with it enough so I just bought it.
>>>> I'll say one thing, they sure make it easy to license.
>>>>
>>>> I love the we're gonna trust our customers atitude too,
>>>> I mean 60 bucks is chump change.
>>>> So
>>>> we shall see what the future brings.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/3/2015 2:33 PM, Rusty Perez via RWP wrote:
>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>>
>>>>> I used NAMA a command-line based multi-track recorder with some
>>>>> editing and effects features.
>>>>> It is built on a very robust audio engine, but the interface is,
>>>>> primarily, command-line based. You must enter commands at each step of
>>>>> the process.
>>>>> they've begun to implement a key command interface but it was in its
>>>>> infancy when I last tried it.
>>>>> Now, admittedly I last used it, ummm, fall of 2013 I believe.
>>>>> For what it's worth, I got some relatively respectable results,
>>>>> considdering I had NEVER recorded and mixed my own album in the past.
>>>>>
>>>>> there are all kinds of work-arounds and outboard applications which
>>>>> must be used for midi, and, though there are some ways to use midi
>>>>> compatible control surfaces the process is by no means very
>>>>> transparent.
>>>>> I was able to use a foot pedal to start and stop recording and rewind
>>>>> ETC.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't want to denigrate the project. It let me record my music, and
>>>>> there are some for whom it is really easy to use. Part of that is
>>>>> fueled by an anti-windows mentality.
>>>>>
>>>>> anyway, I think reaper will be my DAW of choice just because it's a
>>>>> bit more straight forward and easier for this musician to understand.
>>>>> :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Rusty
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/3/15, Chris Belle via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Rusty, this is Chris Belle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good to see you over here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm slowly becoming a reaper guy, having been so solidly rooted in
>>>>>> sonar
>>>>>> land for so long, it's surely a different way of doing things, but
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> things I like better, and some things I hate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But it'll be another useful tool to add, you don't necessarily
>>>>>> have to
>>>>>> pick one or the other, I'm curious about which linux option you
>>>>>> found to
>>>>>> be useful as I have played some with linux distros, and the new
>>>>>> ones are
>>>>>> pretty amazing with what you can do right out of the gate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the ordinary human that is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because reaccess is abandon ware,
>>>>>> and there's no way to fix the bugs in it, or make it work better with
>>>>>> newer versions of reaper, I think that osara is the future,
>>>>>> and I have a lot of confidence in Jamie, who has done work for me
>>>>>> before,
>>>>>> and I love NVDA anyway, so it's a win, win situation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yes, there were some things I liked about how reaccess did things,
>>>>>> the training mode, and some things voiced better, but it's early days
>>>>>> for osara, and I think especially if we cough up donations and keep
>>>>>> Jamie busy, he'll improve it for us, and since it's open source,
>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>> can grab the source code and improve it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So that's another win, win situation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since reaccess will never be developed any more, you're stuck with
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> it is, so if it does everything you want, fine, but if you want
>>>>>> anything
>>>>>> else, then I say out with the old, and in with the new.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not necessarily
>>>>>> a guy who always goes for the latest and greatest,
>>>>>> I'm a firm believer in if it ain't broke, don't fix it, but there
>>>>>> comes
>>>>>> a time when you have to change the tires or slide off the street
>>>>>> 'grin'.
>>>>>> So, act accordingly to your needs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/3/2015 12:32 PM, Rusty Perez via RWP wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>> Well, I'm diving in to Reaper.
>>>>>>> Just for background. I recorded a solo holiday project two years ago
>>>>>>> using an accessible multi-track recorder on Linux. while I love the
>>>>>>> idea of the freedom and availability of accessible software on
>>>>>>> Linux,
>>>>>>> it is clear that Reaper offers many more readily available features
>>>>>>> and it's a lot more accessible to the less technical--like
>>>>>>> myself--in
>>>>>>> more ways than just blind accessible. No disrespect meant in the
>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>> to the application I used before. I just think I can be more
>>>>>>> productive using Reaper.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have Reaper and reaccess which I installed last year.
>>>>>>> Is there ANY REASON to keep Reaccess on my system, or should I just
>>>>>>> ditch it and run with OSARA?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks!
>>>>>>> Rusty
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