[Rwp] ditching ReAccess for good?

Thu Mar 5 13:33:54 EST 2015

I'm finding some really likeable plugs in the js stuff.

Not bad for a discount DAW 'grin'.

On 3/4/2015 12:15 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
> Well, for the time being I think I'll use sonar for midi, and if I 
> want reaper in the mix for audio, I'll rewire it.
>
> That way I get the best of what each tool was really designed to do.
> I know it's fake and hacky,
> but reapers elegant way of handling lots of audio chunks at once
> makes it ideal for long spoken word projects with lots of out of 
> control dynamics.
>
> If you want to quickly normalize and level out that sort of thing 
> without slamming everything down with a compressor, and keep it 
> natural sounding, reaper is ideal for that sort of thing.
>
> And having easy volume control of each chunk after the fact
> though not quite as good as actually being able to edit automation is 
> close enough most of the time.
> Poor old sonar just struggles when you say, try and normalize several 
> hundred clips at once, something reaper does in a couple seconds 
> literally takes 20 minutes with sonar,
> and as far as I can tell, you still can't independantly normalize each 
> audio chunk.
> not in a batch process anyway,
>
> I think it's still trying to treat it like a single piece, of audio, 
> so that might be what's
> taking so long, I know we have tools like the levelator, but that 
> thing does funny things sometimes, and you have no control of how it 
> decides to deal with certain chunks.
>
> I'm not sure what the practical difference is in heal splits or glue 
> items is, but I tried both, and I was pleasantly suprised
> when I was working with this big spoken word reading I've been 
> practicing with,
> when I normalized the items and glued them, that worked pretty well, 
> but I still had some level differences, and things I didn't like which 
> I would have had to fix manually, but when I chose the heal splits in 
> items, that seems to level everything out,
> better than just gluin the items back together,
> did,
> Fun times.
>
>
>
>
> On 3/3/2015 11:34 PM, Patrick Perdue via RWP wrote:
>> Speaking of midi, I really hope reaper 5's implementation of mtc/midi 
>> clock is better than 3/4, which seem about the same to me. Now that I 
>> am playing with a bunch of outboard gear, I am learning the hard way 
>> that Reaper's built-in stuff for handling that isn't so awesome.
>> I wrote about that earlier this week, so I won't go into those 
>> details again, but other people on forums are complaining about it too.
>> Using a JS midi clock/MTC generator fixes some of those problems, but 
>> is less straight-forward to implement.
>> There is also no way to just run the midi clock while the project 
>> isn't in play/record, which is a bit of a bummer.
>>
>> On 3/3/2015 4:32 PM, Chris Belle via RWP wrote:
>>> When I was messin about with some gnome and orca based stuff, I was
>>> messing with audacity a little bit.
>>>
>>> Pretty primitive
>>> compared to sonar,
>>> now if you're an audio guy primarily, reaper is sweet, but if you love
>>> midi, then reaper I don't think is quite there yet.
>>>
>>> It's getting better though,
>>> and now I am a fully licensed member of the reaper
>>> gang, i've screwed around with it enough so I just bought it.
>>> I'll say one thing, they sure make it easy to license.
>>>
>>> I love the we're gonna trust our customers atitude too,
>>> I mean 60 bucks is chump change.
>>> So
>>> we shall see what the future brings.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/3/2015 2:33 PM, Rusty Perez via RWP wrote:
>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>
>>>> I used NAMA a command-line based multi-track recorder with some
>>>> editing and effects features.
>>>> It is built on a very robust audio engine, but the interface is,
>>>> primarily, command-line based. You must enter commands at each step of
>>>> the process.
>>>> they've begun to implement a key command interface but it was in its
>>>> infancy when I last tried it.
>>>> Now, admittedly I last used it, ummm, fall of 2013 I believe.
>>>> For what it's worth, I got some relatively respectable results,
>>>> considdering I had NEVER recorded and mixed my own album in the past.
>>>>
>>>> there are all kinds of work-arounds and outboard applications which
>>>> must be used for midi, and, though there are some ways to use midi
>>>> compatible control surfaces the process is by no means very
>>>> transparent.
>>>> I was able to use a foot pedal to start and stop recording and rewind
>>>> ETC.
>>>>
>>>> I don't want to denigrate the project. It let me record my music, and
>>>> there are some for whom it is really easy to use. Part of that is
>>>> fueled by an anti-windows mentality.
>>>>
>>>> anyway, I think reaper will be my DAW of choice just because it's a
>>>> bit more straight forward and easier for this musician to understand.
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> Rusty
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/3/15, Chris Belle via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Rusty, this is Chris Belle.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good to see you over here.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm slowly becoming a reaper guy, having been so solidly rooted in 
>>>>> sonar
>>>>> land for so long, it's surely a different way of doing things, but 
>>>>> some
>>>>> things I like better, and some things I hate.
>>>>>
>>>>> But it'll be another useful tool to add, you don't necessarily 
>>>>> have to
>>>>> pick one or the other, I'm curious about which linux option you 
>>>>> found to
>>>>> be useful as I have played some with linux distros, and the new 
>>>>> ones are
>>>>> pretty amazing with what you can do right out of the gate.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the ordinary human that is.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because reaccess is abandon ware,
>>>>> and there's no way to fix the bugs in it, or make it work better with
>>>>> newer versions of reaper, I think that osara is the future,
>>>>> and I have a lot of confidence in Jamie, who has done work for me
>>>>> before,
>>>>> and I love NVDA anyway, so it's a win, win situation.
>>>>>
>>>>> yes, there were some things I liked about how reaccess did things,
>>>>> the training mode, and some things voiced better, but it's early days
>>>>> for osara, and I think especially if we cough up donations and keep
>>>>> Jamie busy, he'll improve it for us, and since it's open source, 
>>>>> anyone
>>>>> can grab the source code and improve it.
>>>>>
>>>>> So that's another win, win situation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since reaccess will never be developed any more, you're stuck with 
>>>>> what
>>>>> it is, so if it does everything you want, fine, but if you want 
>>>>> anything
>>>>> else, then I say out with the old, and in with the new.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not necessarily
>>>>> a guy who always goes for the latest and greatest,
>>>>> I'm a firm believer in if it ain't broke, don't fix it, but there 
>>>>> comes
>>>>> a time when you have to change the tires or slide off the street 
>>>>> 'grin'.
>>>>> So, act accordingly to your needs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/3/2015 12:32 PM, Rusty Perez via RWP wrote:
>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>> Well, I'm diving in to Reaper.
>>>>>> Just for background. I recorded a solo holiday project two years ago
>>>>>> using an accessible multi-track recorder on Linux. while I love the
>>>>>> idea of the freedom and availability of accessible software on 
>>>>>> Linux,
>>>>>> it is clear that Reaper offers many more readily available features
>>>>>> and it's a lot more accessible to the less technical--like 
>>>>>> myself--in
>>>>>> more ways than just blind accessible. No disrespect meant in the 
>>>>>> least
>>>>>> to the application I used before. I just think I can be more
>>>>>> productive using Reaper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have Reaper and reaccess which I installed last year.
>>>>>> Is there ANY REASON to keep Reaccess on my system, or should I just
>>>>>> ditch it and run with OSARA?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks!
>>>>>> Rusty
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