[Rwp] ditching ReAccess for good?

Wed Mar 4 01:15:01 EST 2015

Well, for the time being I think I'll use sonar for midi, and if I want 
reaper in the mix for audio, I'll rewire it.

That way I get the best of what each tool was really designed to do.
I know it's fake and hacky,
but reapers elegant way of handling lots of audio chunks at once
makes it ideal for long spoken word projects with lots of out of control 
dynamics.

If you want to quickly normalize and level out that sort of thing 
without slamming everything down with a compressor, and keep it natural 
sounding, reaper is ideal for that sort of thing.

And having easy volume control of each chunk after the fact
though not quite as good as actually being able to edit automation is 
close enough most of the time.
Poor old sonar just struggles when you say, try and normalize several 
hundred clips at once, something reaper does in a couple seconds 
literally takes 20 minutes with sonar,
and as far as I can tell, you still can't independantly normalize each 
audio chunk.
not in a batch process anyway,

I think it's still trying to treat it like a single piece, of audio, so 
that might be what's
taking so long, I know we have tools like the levelator, but that thing 
does funny things sometimes, and you have no control of how it decides 
to deal with certain chunks.

I'm not sure what the practical difference is in heal splits or glue 
items is, but I tried both, and I was pleasantly suprised
when I was working with this big spoken word reading I've been 
practicing with,
when I normalized the items and glued them, that worked pretty well, but 
I still had some level differences, and things I didn't like which I 
would have had to fix manually, but when I chose the heal splits in 
items, that seems to level everything out,
better than just gluin the items back together,
did,
Fun times.

On 3/3/2015 11:34 PM, Patrick Perdue via RWP wrote:
> Speaking of midi, I really hope reaper 5's implementation of mtc/midi 
> clock is better than 3/4, which seem about the same to me. Now that I 
> am playing with a bunch of outboard gear, I am learning the hard way 
> that Reaper's built-in stuff for handling that isn't so awesome.
> I wrote about that earlier this week, so I won't go into those details 
> again, but other people on forums are complaining about it too.
> Using a JS midi clock/MTC generator fixes some of those problems, but 
> is less straight-forward to implement.
> There is also no way to just run the midi clock while the project 
> isn't in play/record, which is a bit of a bummer.
>
> On 3/3/2015 4:32 PM, Chris Belle via RWP wrote:
>> When I was messin about with some gnome and orca based stuff, I was
>> messing with audacity a little bit.
>>
>> Pretty primitive
>> compared to sonar,
>> now if you're an audio guy primarily, reaper is sweet, but if you love
>> midi, then reaper I don't think is quite there yet.
>>
>> It's getting better though,
>> and now I am a fully licensed member of the reaper
>> gang, i've screwed around with it enough so I just bought it.
>> I'll say one thing, they sure make it easy to license.
>>
>> I love the we're gonna trust our customers atitude too,
>> I mean 60 bucks is chump change.
>> So
>> we shall see what the future brings.
>>
>>
>> On 3/3/2015 2:33 PM, Rusty Perez via RWP wrote:
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>> I used NAMA a command-line based multi-track recorder with some
>>> editing and effects features.
>>> It is built on a very robust audio engine, but the interface is,
>>> primarily, command-line based. You must enter commands at each step of
>>> the process.
>>> they've begun to implement a key command interface but it was in its
>>> infancy when I last tried it.
>>> Now, admittedly I last used it, ummm, fall of 2013 I believe.
>>> For what it's worth, I got some relatively respectable results,
>>> considdering I had NEVER recorded and mixed my own album in the past.
>>>
>>> there are all kinds of work-arounds and outboard applications which
>>> must be used for midi, and, though there are some ways to use midi
>>> compatible control surfaces the process is by no means very
>>> transparent.
>>> I was able to use a foot pedal to start and stop recording and rewind
>>> ETC.
>>>
>>> I don't want to denigrate the project. It let me record my music, and
>>> there are some for whom it is really easy to use. Part of that is
>>> fueled by an anti-windows mentality.
>>>
>>> anyway, I think reaper will be my DAW of choice just because it's a
>>> bit more straight forward and easier for this musician to understand.
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Rusty
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/3/15, Chris Belle via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Rusty, this is Chris Belle.
>>>>
>>>> Good to see you over here.
>>>>
>>>> I'm slowly becoming a reaper guy, having been so solidly rooted in 
>>>> sonar
>>>> land for so long, it's surely a different way of doing things, but 
>>>> some
>>>> things I like better, and some things I hate.
>>>>
>>>> But it'll be another useful tool to add, you don't necessarily have to
>>>> pick one or the other, I'm curious about which linux option you 
>>>> found to
>>>> be useful as I have played some with linux distros, and the new 
>>>> ones are
>>>> pretty amazing with what you can do right out of the gate.
>>>>
>>>> For the ordinary human that is.
>>>>
>>>> Because reaccess is abandon ware,
>>>> and there's no way to fix the bugs in it, or make it work better with
>>>> newer versions of reaper, I think that osara is the future,
>>>> and I have a lot of confidence in Jamie, who has done work for me
>>>> before,
>>>> and I love NVDA anyway, so it's a win, win situation.
>>>>
>>>> yes, there were some things I liked about how reaccess did things,
>>>> the training mode, and some things voiced better, but it's early days
>>>> for osara, and I think especially if we cough up donations and keep
>>>> Jamie busy, he'll improve it for us, and since it's open source, 
>>>> anyone
>>>> can grab the source code and improve it.
>>>>
>>>> So that's another win, win situation.
>>>>
>>>> Since reaccess will never be developed any more, you're stuck with 
>>>> what
>>>> it is, so if it does everything you want, fine, but if you want 
>>>> anything
>>>> else, then I say out with the old, and in with the new.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not necessarily
>>>> a guy who always goes for the latest and greatest,
>>>> I'm a firm believer in if it ain't broke, don't fix it, but there 
>>>> comes
>>>> a time when you have to change the tires or slide off the street 
>>>> 'grin'.
>>>> So, act accordingly to your needs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/3/2015 12:32 PM, Rusty Perez via RWP wrote:
>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>> Well, I'm diving in to Reaper.
>>>>> Just for background. I recorded a solo holiday project two years ago
>>>>> using an accessible multi-track recorder on Linux. while I love the
>>>>> idea of the freedom and availability of accessible software on Linux,
>>>>> it is clear that Reaper offers many more readily available features
>>>>> and it's a lot more accessible to the less technical--like myself--in
>>>>> more ways than just blind accessible. No disrespect meant in the 
>>>>> least
>>>>> to the application I used before. I just think I can be more
>>>>> productive using Reaper.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have Reaper and reaccess which I installed last year.
>>>>> Is there ANY REASON to keep Reaccess on my system, or should I just
>>>>> ditch it and run with OSARA?
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks!
>>>>> Rusty
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