[Rwp] Automation

[Derek Lane]

So where do you go to arm tracks to  begin recording automation, not with 
the tab key of course.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alex H. via RWP" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
Cc: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2015 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Rwp] Automation


> Sort of agree on control surfaces. Moreover I think it would be
> helpful if companies supplied more templates on how stuff should be
> mapped per daw. You can always get picky later and modify them, but a
> start would be nice. Midi? Nah, don't feel like ranting about that
> now. Needless to say it's an antiquated pile in the right
> circumstances.
>
> For now re: automation, I slow the entire thing down a lot, set
> automation to write and do anything in realtime. Difficult, but not
> impossible. Osara makes automation a tad easier since you can like
> actually change effect params that stick in automation modes, unlike
> ReaAccess. And ultimately, I couldn't care less about envelope points
> and yada yada if I can get the darn sound to do what I have in my
> head. If there's a better way, I'm all for learning it if it's less
> work. :P
>
> I tend to still use tons of items, gradually changing
> pan/amplitude/whatever when effects aren't involved. Old habits die
> hard...
>
> Alex
>
> On 6/7/15, Chris Belle via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>> As much a fan of UI based automation as I am,
>> because control surfaces have their own complicated issues, there are
>> times when having close and immediate control of parms via a knob, even
>> quick mapped from your midi keyboard is desireable.
>>
>> When doing EDM, this is the one time when I would use a control surface
>> more
>> than with traditional recording, where I would be happier with carefully
>> placed bits of snapshot based automation.
>>
>> But wanting to ride filters with a beat, or
>> doing other such feel based things could be done with snapshots, but
>> would take a long time.
>>
>> The computer keyboard is a reasonable compromise for writing automation,
>> and I have used that method, but it still is not the same as having a
>> nice mapped hardware knob to ride a filter and such.
>>
>> Still, for ordinary bits of automation,
>> where people want to just do some volume changes, and pan, and mute and
>> such, I tend to go with the UI based stuff,
>> because the problem with control surfaces is the way they are
>> implemented in each daw, and the weaknesses of then has to do with how
>> the control surface dll's are written for a particular protocol.
>> Like for instance, the mackie control surface implementation for reaper
>> I understand is less than wonderful,
>> one can randomly just map controlers from pure cc, but then there are
>> problems with that,
>> with things getting mixed up, Patrick was sharing with us some issues
>> when we were having one of our not infrequent
>> control surface vs ui based
>> discussions on midimag,
>> I think people who just want a set number of functions and who deal with
>> fewer track counts, and don't try to do everything with their surface
>> have a better time than folks who want to do everything with it.
>>
>> Becaue you'll spend more time fiddling with your surface than getting
>> work done.
>>
>> So
>> this is why I gend to favor UI based things, which just always work,
>> providing you can get at them.
>>
>> Unlike midi, which was one standard agreed on back in the 80s, surface
>> tech was never nailed down, so we have several different standards and
>> they are not compatible with each other.
>> Still, just
>> quick grabbing a fader once in a while, is very useful,
>> even for simple things like automating the leslie of an organ,
>> or swelling a sstrings,
>> or a nice long fade out.
>>
>> I still primarily use sonar,
>> and I am very fast at putting closely spaced snapshots close together to
>> make simulate that kind of thing,
>> but if I have to do lots of something,
>> like once I did an EDM thing
>> where I used a resonant high pass eq filter and wanted to change
>> frequencies all through the beat, kind of like the effec they used on
>> the movie Flashlight,
>> I mapped it to a controler,
>> via sonar's quick mapping function available in all the controls on the
>> applications menu, and
>> it was a lot more fun.
>>
>> so in closing, I have mixed feelings about control surfaces.
>>
>> They are hugely useful, and desireable, but if only they were easier to
>> configure,
>> and more compatible across DAW's.
>>
>> That's another reason why I have a real board here too,
>> the wonderful mackie onyx 1640i,
>> which gives me old school control of traditional faders and such,
>> no matter the underlying recording software,
>> and also makes it extremely conveniant to put signals of various sources
>> together,
>> or quickly tweak monitoring senarios,
>> an analog board married to a
>> fine firewire interface is really a good way to go for a blindy who
>> needs to cover a lot of ground,
>> quickly, we have so many of these touch interface thingies coming on the
>> market now,
>> your 32 channel boards and such on the IPad,
>> it's all being driven by cost vs functionallity,
>> you can cram a lot of dsp power on a chip, and when you don't have to
>> make real circuits,
>> out of  real hardware, you can offer a lot for a low price, but you give
>> up something too.
>>
>> And for us,
>> we have always that accessibility monster lurking,
>> so that's often the make it or break it consideration for us.
>>
>> Good morning.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/6/2015 12:37 PM, Roger Alexanderson via RWP wrote:
>>> i think though the best way would be if we could set markers and draw
>>> envelopes. that way we wouldn't need a full controller of knobs in
>>> order to record in realtime.
>>>
>>> On 06/06/2015 09:24 AM, Justin Macleod via RWP wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So is that the only way we can use touch and flash modes? I was
>>>> wondering what they actually were. Also, since Roger mentioned it,
>>>> how one assigns parameters to midi controlers.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any help,
>>>>
>>>> Justin
>>>>
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>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Rwp] Automation
>>>>
>>>> Hello.
>>>>
>>>> The plugin ReaEar implemented automation dialogue, it is included for
>>>> the track on the key combination alt + e and mastertrack by a
>>>> combination of Shift + e.
>>>>
>>>>
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