[Rwp] Automation

[Alex H.]

Sort of agree on control surfaces. Moreover I think it would be
helpful if companies supplied more templates on how stuff should be
mapped per daw. You can always get picky later and modify them, but a
start would be nice. Midi? Nah, don't feel like ranting about that
now. Needless to say it's an antiquated pile in the right
circumstances.

For now re: automation, I slow the entire thing down a lot, set
automation to write and do anything in realtime. Difficult, but not
impossible. Osara makes automation a tad easier since you can like
actually change effect params that stick in automation modes, unlike
ReaAccess. And ultimately, I couldn't care less about envelope points
and yada yada if I can get the darn sound to do what I have in my
head. If there's a better way, I'm all for learning it if it's less
work. :P

I tend to still use tons of items, gradually changing
pan/amplitude/whatever when effects aren't involved. Old habits die
hard...

Alex

On 6/7/15, Chris Belle via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
> As much a fan of UI based automation as I am,
> because control surfaces have their own complicated issues, there are
> times when having close and immediate control of parms via a knob, even
> quick mapped from your midi keyboard is desireable.
>
> When doing EDM, this is the one time when I would use a control surface
> more
> than with traditional recording, where I would be happier with carefully
> placed bits of snapshot based automation.
>
> But wanting to ride filters with a beat, or
> doing other such feel based things could be done with snapshots, but
> would take a long time.
>
> The computer keyboard is a reasonable compromise for writing automation,
> and I have used that method, but it still is not the same as having a
> nice mapped hardware knob to ride a filter and such.
>
> Still, for ordinary bits of automation,
> where people want to just do some volume changes, and pan, and mute and
> such, I tend to go with the UI based stuff,
> because the problem with control surfaces is the way they are
> implemented in each daw, and the weaknesses of then has to do with how
> the control surface dll's are written for a particular protocol.
> Like for instance, the mackie control surface implementation for reaper
> I understand is less than wonderful,
> one can randomly just map controlers from pure cc, but then there are
> problems with that,
> with things getting mixed up, Patrick was sharing with us some issues
> when we were having one of our not infrequent
> control surface vs ui based
> discussions on midimag,
> I think people who just want a set number of functions and who deal with
> fewer track counts, and don't try to do everything with their surface
> have a better time than folks who want to do everything with it.
>
> Becaue you'll spend more time fiddling with your surface than getting
> work done.
>
> So
> this is why I gend to favor UI based things, which just always work,
> providing you can get at them.
>
> Unlike midi, which was one standard agreed on back in the 80s, surface
> tech was never nailed down, so we have several different standards and
> they are not compatible with each other.
> Still, just
> quick grabbing a fader once in a while, is very useful,
> even for simple things like automating the leslie of an organ,
> or swelling a sstrings,
> or a nice long fade out.
>
> I still primarily use sonar,
> and I am very fast at putting closely spaced snapshots close together to
> make simulate that kind of thing,
> but if I have to do lots of something,
> like once I did an EDM thing
> where I used a resonant high pass eq filter and wanted to change
> frequencies all through the beat, kind of like the effec they used on
> the movie Flashlight,
> I mapped it to a controler,
> via sonar's quick mapping function available in all the controls on the
> applications menu, and
> it was a lot more fun.
>
> so in closing, I have mixed feelings about control surfaces.
>
> They are hugely useful, and desireable, but if only they were easier to
> configure,
> and more compatible across DAW's.
>
> That's another reason why I have a real board here too,
> the wonderful mackie onyx 1640i,
> which gives me old school control of traditional faders and such,
> no matter the underlying recording software,
> and also makes it extremely conveniant to put signals of various sources
> together,
> or quickly tweak monitoring senarios,
> an analog board married to a
> fine firewire interface is really a good way to go for a blindy who
> needs to cover a lot of ground,
> quickly, we have so many of these touch interface thingies coming on the
> market now,
> your 32 channel boards and such on the IPad,
> it's all being driven by cost vs functionallity,
> you can cram a lot of dsp power on a chip, and when you don't have to
> make real circuits,
> out of  real hardware, you can offer a lot for a low price, but you give
> up something too.
>
> And for us,
> we have always that accessibility monster lurking,
> so that's often the make it or break it consideration for us.
>
> Good morning.
>
>
>
>
> On 6/6/2015 12:37 PM, Roger Alexanderson via RWP wrote:
>> i think though the best way would be if we could set markers and draw
>> envelopes. that way we wouldn't need a full controller of knobs in
>> order to record in realtime.
>>
>> On 06/06/2015 09:24 AM, Justin Macleod via RWP wrote:
>>>
>>> So is that the only way we can use touch and flash modes? I was
>>> wondering what they actually were. Also, since Roger mentioned it,
>>> how one assigns parameters to midi controlers.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help,
>>>
>>> Justin
>>>
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>>> Hello.
>>>
>>> The plugin ReaEar implemented automation dialogue, it is included for
>>> the track on the key combination alt + e and mastertrack by a
>>> combination of Shift + e.
>>>
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