[Rwp] HotSpotClicker

Mon Jul 20 19:26:23 EDT 2015

I've done more for sonar, but I did do an ahk set for reaper for the sfz 
player,
and it's on Steve's site.
You just have to roll up your sleves and learn the language,
I am no hot shot programmer like snowy,
or Jamie, but I've managed to do a few good things with a little red 
neck stubbornness,
and a lot of cussing and grunting and sweating and probably took me 5 
times  the time a real programmer would have taken,
but we get it done one way or another around here.

On 7/20/2015 5:50 PM, Juan Bello via RWP wrote:
> a h k... I have read tons about it and have not found anything at all
> for any use by the blind even outside of reaper. Either everyone does
> them for their personal stuff or there is actually nothing out there,
> or I am searching the wrong way...
>
> 2015-07-20 17:14 GMT-05:00, Chris Belle via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>:
>> Well, I don't want to imply we won't work at all with reaper, you can
>> certainly pull down the standard menus and such, but the immediate
>> things you notice that don't work are the navigation movements, using
>> arrow keys to move through the file doesn't speak any positional
>> imformation.
>>
>> YOu could probably create a window to read it,
>> on the UI, but in jaws and NVDA, it's voiced automatically.
>>
>> So that's the clarification,
>> but it stands to reason that since NVDA dev Jamie is creating Osara with
>> NVDA as the base screen-reader, that it will work best with it.
>>
>> Now with the old reaccess plug, window-eyes worked pretty well,
>> providing you used 32 bit.
>> There were certain dialogues that spoke better,
>> but I am more or less abandoning reaccess I never got that attached to
>> the tab UI thing,
>> and it is sure nice to be able to easily move back and forth between 32
>> and 64 bit versions as desired and only have to deal with one dll and a
>> keymap.
>>
>> Very simple and elegant.
>>
>>
>> On 7/20/2015 4:48 PM, Scott Chesworth via RWP wrote:
>>> Eek, that's not good. OSARA's supposed to be totally screen reader
>>> agnostic at this point. Not sure why this is the way it is off the top
>>> of my head, but I'll add it to the list of stuff to investigate as
>>> OSARA moves forward.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/20/15, Chris Belle via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>> No you heard me right.
>>>>
>>>> Which is funny because in the latest version of sonar platinum,
>>>> window-eyes does rather well.
>>>>
>>>> So you need all the screen-readers, jaws, we and NVDA because all of
>>>> them will do better at a particular task, or fall down on others.
>>>>
>>>> So we should all be trans gender when it comes to our screen-readers,
>>>> but I understand that economics is the choosing factor sometimes 'grin'.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/20/2015 2:05 PM, Scott Chesworth via RWP wrote:
>>>>> Hey Chris,
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you saying Window-Eyes 8.4 and OSARA don't play nicely, or did I
>>>>> misunderstand?
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/20/15, Chris Belle via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>>>> And not trying to be contentious at all,
>>>>>> but since osara supports MSAA,
>>>>>> any screen reader that works with it is valid, and jaws does work with
>>>>>> osara, even though it is made with NVDA but on my systems, jaws and
>>>>>> NVDA
>>>>>> both work, but poor old window-eyes at least the version
>>>>>> I have 8.4 does not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/20/2015 1:09 PM, Chris Belle via RWP wrote:
>>>>>>> And that is no small contribution.
>>>>>>> I still use jaws, mostly in a teaching context, but it is still very
>>>>>>> much part of my tool box.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I use all three screen readers as a matter of fact, and to my
>>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>>> as long as it deals with reaper, jaws is valid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/20/2015 12:35 PM, Jim Snowbarger via RWP wrote:
>>>>>>>> Yes, it is off topic, especially  for a list of mostly very proud,
>>>>>>>> non-jaws
>>>>>>>> users.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As the HSC author, I'll try to fill you in, as best I remember.
>>>>>>>> Write off list to:
>>>>>>>> snowman at SnowmanRadio.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Yukio
>>>>>>>> Nozawa
>>>>>>>> via RWP
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 6:34 AM
>>>>>>>> To: rwp at bluegrasspals.com
>>>>>>>> Cc: Yukio Nozawa
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rwp] HotSpotClicker
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>> This is a kind of off topic, so please let me know if it's
>>>>>>>> inappropriate for
>>>>>>>> the list.
>>>>>>>> I know that a lot of users are using HSC sets to make sample
>>>>>>>> libraries or vi
>>>>>>>> rtual instruments accessible. However, they must have JAWS
>>>>>>>> installed.
>>>>>>>> For th
>>>>>>>> ose who don't have JAWS, Autohotkey can be used instead of HSC.
>>>>>>>> I don't understand how these two solutions work technically. Are
>>>>>>>> these scrip
>>>>>>>> ts just programmed to move the mouse curser to a specific location,
>>>>>>>> then gen
>>>>>>>> erate a click event to activate the function under the curser? Or,
>>>>>>>> are they
>>>>>>>> monitoring other parameters such as window or screen infos, colors,
>>>>>>>> or objec
>>>>>>>> t handles?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since I don't have JAWS, I have never tried HSC sets. But reading
>>>>>>>> emails in
>>>>>>>> this list, the script sets look extremely helpful. That's why I want
>>>>>>>> to know
>>>>>>>> how the scripts solve the accessibility issues.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm working on a new software that can handle the mouse curser, and
>>>>>>>> manage a
>>>>>>>> ctions that are inaccessible for blind users. Understanding HSC and
>>>>>>>> Autohotk
>>>>>>>> ey will certainly help me improving my software.
>>>>>>>>
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