[Rwp] OSARA key map

[Jim Snowbarger]

Yes, I understand your purist perspective, I think.
I am not defending the tab key thing in reaccess.  Any time you have to tab
through stuff, looking for what you want, it's not efficient.  Hot keys are
preferred, as long as there is a good way to remind one's self of what they
are.  
But, the fact that it is not a part of the visual UI doesn't bother me in
the least.
No more than does the ability to poke around in UIA objects, and learn stuff
that isn't even on screen.  I'm good with that.   I do that all the time
with JAWS too.
Sorry, the term "fake" implied illegitimacy in my mind, and that may not be
what you intended.  Or, maybe so. In any case, it is clearly a Reaccess
creation.

Yep, I definitely do understand the need to have a common UI experience so
you can communicate with sighted users.   And, where that is efficient, that
makes sense.
But, I happily cross your line if the sighted technique is clumsy, or
difficult, , and some artificial alternative is clearly  more efficient, and
is feasibly available to me.
As for Osara, you know the limitations of your environment.  And, due to a
lack of sufficient time of late, I'm woefully ignorant of your
accomplishments there.  I plan to fix that.  So, I'm not suggesting anything
there.  Only that, we have a lot of strikes against us.  And ruling any
option out based on what I consider slightly high-handed asthetic judgements
limnits the options.  Yep, feasibility is a key part of that discussion.
I bet that most of the moment by moment reaper use among the blind is a
person by himself, just trying to get stuff done, no sighted people involved
at all.  So, to limit the solution, just because it has to mirror the
sighted view of the world is cutting one's legs off at the knees.  Not for
me, thanks.
I'll take what ever advantage we can get, because I consider that we need
it.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of James Teh via
RWP
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 10:20 PM
To: Reapers Without Peepers
Subject: Re: [Rwp] OSARA key map

On 25/02/2015 1:18 PM, Jim Snowbarger via RWP wrote:
> I must admit, I take exception to statements like, such and such is 
> completely fake.  So what if it is fake.  Fake, I suppose, means that 
> the sighted user doesn't see it.
Well, actually, you could argue the sighted user sort of does see it. 
However, being able to focus on each field is not something that REAPER
offers. In this case, when I say it's fake, it's more that we'd be creating
our own entirely different UI, and that creates a whole load of problems.
Mostly, it's a technical issue.

As for efficiency, this virtual navigation thing is actually far less
efficient than using keyboard shortcuts to adjust parameters. With virtual
navigation, you have to cursor over to the parameter and then adjust it.
With dedicated shortcut keys, you just press the right key. 
The learning curve is steeper, but the efficiency is greater. So, in this
case, I don't buy the efficiency argument.

Sometimes the efficiency argument *is* quite valid. Where something is
faster for a sighted user for whatever reason, we should make it faster for
a blind user as well, even if that requires a slightly different user
experience. However, I draw the line when you start providing things that a
sighted user can't do at all. In that case, it's now a general purpose
extension, not an accessibility extension, and it should be split out
accordingly. Furthermore, when you start completely replacing the UI, you
may as well be using a different product.

Jamie

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