[Rwp] OSARA keymap

Mon Feb 23 15:28:15 EST 2015

Do you guys really object that a quick beep is played when a rotating list
selection returns to the start of a list?
Quite honestly, that is the case where such things make sense to me.  It
saveds time, because you don't just go circling around and around until your
addled brain recognizes a pattern.
Especially if the beep amplitude is kept relatively subtle, that seems like
a useful thing.  
As long as any single letter navigation does not trigger it, but only a key
that would be used to explore the list, such as arrow keys or tab, that
seems useful.
Maybe Osara can hook into NVDA's lovely little tweet thing, such that, if
you have speech turned off, the beeps don't play.
So, those who really like flying without any feedback can still do that if
they want.

-----Original Message-----
From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Chesworth via RWP
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 1:01 PM
To: Reapers Without Peepers
Subject: Re: [Rwp] OSARA keymap

Fair point. A lot of this discussion has been kinda pontificating until we
see what Jamie's working with as a starting point. I like the function keys
thing, but nowhere near enough to say that I couldn't adjust to something
else.

No beeps and boops though, ok? They'd cause disappointment worthy of
attention. :)

Scott

On 2/23/15, Jim Snowbarger via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
> It's important not to get discouraged over the predictable fact that 
> opinions vary on virtually every aspect of any user interface.
> In my opinion, there is absolutely no way to make everybody happy 
> about this.  There is no key map in the world that somebody won't like 
> for some reason.
> If you told people that control+v would be used to paste, and they had 
> never used that before, people would argue against it.  But, as it is, 
> it is common place, and nobody fusses about it.
> If I were you, I would just bundle Osara with my own preferred key map.
> And, if some common agreement came along later, it could be changed.  
> But, more likely, people will just learn to use what is there, with 
> minor exceptions, and life will be good.
>
> I say, don't let discouragement over the predictable level of 
> disagreement about such a matter detract from the broader benefit what is
being
> accomplished more generally, and go from there.   If Osara can be
> configurable in that regard, that would be great.
> But, keep the focus on the functionality it provides, and let the 
> ergonomics come later.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of James 
> Teh via RWP
> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 9:32 PM
> To: Reapers Without Peepers
> Subject: Re: [Rwp] OSARA keymap
>
> I can't find any solid info regarding CakeTalking's keymap, but I did 
> find one post that suggests they use m and s for mute and solo, and I 
> imagine this extends to arm and input echo as well. That is, if I'm 
> correct, they
> *don't* use function keys. We could do the same for OSARA, but that 
> would mean moving the marker and split keys.
>
> At this point, I'm tempted to just bundle my keymap until we can reach 
> some sort of better consensus.
>
> Jamie
>
> On 23/02/2015 1:10 PM, John Schucker via RWP wrote:
>> I personally don't mind multiple key presses, and I'm pretty sure 
>> CakeTalking does this, for example. I also find function keys 
>> annoying, e.g. in GoldWave. They're a stretch for me to reach from 
>> the home row, so I just have to treat them as a separate row, and I 
>> usually end up counting and such. So I'm in favor of Jamie's keymap.
>>
>> Could we have a keymap import function, or some simple way to replace 
>> it? I mean, if we're just overwriting files, I don't see why Jamie 
>> can't have whatever keymap makes sense to him as a default. Then 
>> somebody else can maintain a map with function keys and such, similar 
>> to Reaccess I guess. If you want that, if it's such a problem for you 
>> that you can't use function keys, I'm guessing you'll know enough, or 
>> easily be able to learn, to overwrite the default Osara keymap. It 
>> sounds like all you should need to do is copy and paste a single file 
>> anyway, so it really shouldn't be that hard.
>>
>> But for what it's worth, I'd prefer non-function key mappings. I 
>> don't think pressing ctrl-shift-m, for instance, is all that much 
>> harder than pressing 'm' by itself, and certainly easier, for me at 
>> least, than figuring out what function key I need to try to find. I'd 
>> also think if people are that much in need of single keys, again, you 
>> could either import a map, remap them yourself, or get a control 
>> surface. I realize surfaces aren't cheap, even the Behringer is a 
>> couple hundred, but I imagine if you're arguing that you're doing so 
>> much serious work that ctrl-shift-m slows you down unnecessarily, 
>> you'd probably want some kind of surface anyway.
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