[Rwp] [RWP] OSARA, an open-source ReaAccess replacement in development

Jim Snowbarger snowman at snowmanradio.com
Wed Feb 4 17:19:52 EST 2015 

Ok,  I hear cockroaches scurrying.  <big grin>

Well then, how about we start with the Reaper default keyMap , and start with suggesting changes to it.
First, lets' talk about  entries that might be candidates for redefinition.
That will let us make some space for new items.
So, what do you never never use?




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From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Perdue via RWP
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 1:13 PM
To: Reapers Without Peepers
Subject: Re: [Rwp] [RWP] OSARA, an open-source ReaAccess replacement in development

Same here. I consider myself a high intermediate user. Still tons of stuff I don't know because I haven't needed to, that is, until I do...

> On Feb 4, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Scott Chesworth via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
> 
> Jim, this sounds like a cool approach. I'm probably not a well-rounded 
> enough user to come up with a winner either, but I'll gladly test any 
> versions that might appear for consideration and keep track of the 
> overall popularity of each. Anyone who is going to submit a map for 
> consideration, it'd be helpful if you can start a fresh thread, 
> something like your name followed by keymap. For example, "Patrick 
> keymap". That's my nomination too btw :P
> 
> 
> On 2/4/15, Jim Snowbarger via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>> Yep,  he didn’t mean to cause a firestorm of controversy over key 
>> assignments.  But, oh, what he did.
>> 
>> <grin>
>> 
>> I don’t think I have ever defined a key map in my life that somebody 
>> didn’t like.  Often, it is lots of somebodies.  You really can’t win.
>> 
>> But, while custimizeability can lead to improvement for the 
>> individual, it does cause problems when a group like this is trying to help somebody.
>> 
>> What key map are, you. using today?
>> 
>> But, I suspect our friendly developer has his hands full, just trying 
>> to get OSARA to work correctly, as it struggles to deal with the 
>> quirks of Reaper, and key maps are probably pretty far from his mind 
>> just now.  That is as it should be.
>> 
>> While he is focusing on the  underlying mechanisms, maybe we can help 
>> with the human factors part.
>> 
>> We could probably actually be helpful if we would find a way for this 
>> group to collaborate, and create a map for him.
>> 
>> I’m scratching my head, trying to figure out a means of doing that 
>> effectively.
>> 
>> My initial thought would be for one of our experts to lay out a straw 
>> man for consideration.  Then, once we have all reviewed that map, 
>> people could startwriting in about entries they didn’t like, and 
>> suggesting alternatives for that entry.  We would deal with it one contravercial entry at a time.
>> 
>> The final decision should come from a power user, one who is grounded 
>> inpractical experience, with a need to be productive and efficient, , 
>> and knows what it is actually like to use this tool with such a map.
>> 
>> Once he has heard all our complaints and suggestions, he decides, and 
>> that becomes the official setting for that entry.
>> 
>> Once we’re done arguing about the nuances, that would become the 
>> official Peepers key map for Osara.  And, we need a convenient way 
>> for the novice to direct Osara to use the official map, so we can 
>> talk apples to apples when trying to help them.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Does anybody volunteer to start the process?  I am definitely not a 
>> power user, and so declare myself to lack the necessary experience
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Jayson 
>> Smith via RWP
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 6:05 AM
>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] [RWP] OSARA, an open-source ReaAccess replacement 
>> in development
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I, too, would be in favor of single-key commands for the most common 
>> actions. Cake Talking for Sonar, which is for me the gold standard of 
>> DAW accessibility, uses single-key commands for the most common 
>> actions. Mute, solo, arm, etc. And it has a standard view where you 
>> use up/down to move between tracks, and left/right to move between 
>> parameters on a track such as name, mute, solo, arm, volume, pan, etc.
>> 
>> Jayson
>> 
>> On 2/4/2015 3:37 AM, Hrvoje Katić via RWP wrote:
>> 
>> Well, personally I don't like default Reaper keymap. Some important 
>> actions are not assigned to any keystroke by default (move by beats 
>> and bars is a good example), and you have to hold control and alt 
>> while navigating tracks with up and down arrow, and also 
>> control+alt+arrow keys have a conflict with some graphics drivers where these keystrokes are assigned to rotate screen.
>> 
>> 
>> LP,
>> Hrvoje
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>> 4.2.2015. u 0:44, Zack Benton via RWP je napisao/la:
>> 
>> Agreed, I admit that the re access keymap is a bit harder to learn.
>> On 2/3/2015 18:16, James Teh via RWP wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Anyway, I didn't mean to start a debate on what is "best"; everyone 
>> has their preferences. My point is that if even I (as the primary 
>> author) am using something different to the ReaAccess key map, I'd be 
>> very reluctant to include a ReaAccess based key map as the default. 
>> At the very least, that key map is harder to learn initially. This is 
>> why I haven't included a key map at all at this point. Perhaps we 
>> could include a ReaAccess key map as an option, but I'm reluctant to make it a "default".
>> 
>> Jamie
>> 
>> On 4/02/2015 7:19 AM, Scott Chesworth via RWP wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have alien length fingers, so this might not work for everyone, but 
>> I've found non-separated F keys a lot easier since I started treating 
>> them as an extra row rather than counting along them. The experience 
>> is a little different from laptop to laptop, but with a wee bit of 
>> practice to get the muscle memory locked in I can comfortably hit 
>> mute, solo, arm, phase etc without leaving the touch typing position 
>> or counting. This is coming from someone who fought pretty hard 
>> against those keys being used for those functions in the first place, 
>> so I guess you could say I'm converted now.
>> 
>> 
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