[Rwp] [RWP] OSARA, an open-source ReaAccess replacement in development

Wed Feb 4 15:02:03 EST 2015

"Standing ovation at this end" too. Good work like this has to be appreciated.

2015-02-04 20:51 GMT+01:00, David Regan via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>:
> Cheers to that.  Standing ovation at this end.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Jim Snowbarger
> via RWP
> Sent: Thursday, 5 February 2015 3:34 AM
> To: 'Reapers Without Peepers'
> Subject: Re: [Rwp] [RWP] OSARA, an open-source ReaAccess replacement in
> development
>
> Digging deep to help pay your own way is good for the soul.
>
> Remember the controversy I sparked when I commented on one person's  remark
> that he didn't feel that he should have to pay for his blindness?
> Who then, I wondered, should.  Everybody else?
> What we have is a market that is too small to adequately support it's own
> costs.  There aren't enough of us to pay the freight.
> You can say that this or that price isn't fair, especially when you compare
> it to some item in a market that is far and away large enough.
> But, it's not an apples to apples comparison.  Providing accessibility
> solutions is hugely expensive and difficult.
> And, when you are talking the practical realities of managing a company,
> paying your employees, your taxes, your rent, and all the rest of it, you've
> got to raise revenue.
> Many of us have contributed hugely out of our own free time, and our skill,
> to try to help lift the burden.  And, still some poor blinks complain at
> having to pay anything at all.
> But, I ignore them.
> When you look at what Jamie and partners have accomplished with NVDA, and
> look at how much revenue they have raised from the blind community, I bet
> you would have to conclude that it is HUGE charity.  If it weren't fror the
> grants, they'd be screwed.  And, the availability of grants depends on
> certain conditions out of our control.
> Charity comes and goes like the wind.  For the sake of our own stability, it
> is best to depend on it as little as possible.
>
> But, at the end of the day, I guess I consider it a moral and ethical
> question.
> Even if I am dirt poor, and have nothing, there is spiritual richness and
> reward in digging up whatever I can spare, plus a little more until it
> hurts, and investing it in the thing I need to have happen.   I'm pretty
> sure that's my mission in life, to the best of my ability, to help pay my
> own way.
> And, to be honest, I am more willing to help people who are doing likewise,
> than I am somebody who thinks the world owes them a living.
> I'm not suggesting that anyone here is like that.  But, god knows there are
> plenty of them around.  It's a mental condition bread by the welfare state.
> And, it is counter productive.
> End of speech.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Scott
> Chesworth via RWP
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 12:53 PM
> To: Reapers Without Peepers
> Subject: Re: [Rwp] [RWP] OSARA, an open-source ReaAccess replacement in
> development
>
> To be fair Chris, we've already had a few public mentions of donations here
> from people that I'm fairly sure are serious enough to put their hands in
> their pockets, plus in March I'm applying for a grant that'd tide Jamie over
> for a while once the fun wears off. Granted, that's not much, but it's a
> more encouraging response than ReaAccess got financially. In any case, when
> it comes to CT, I find it ridiculous that the accessibility package plus
> screen reader costs way more than the DAW itself. That's before considering
> that Sonar itself could be seen as overpriced unless you're actually gonna
> use the synths and plugs it comes bundled with. I doubt you'll disagree that
> CT's business model sucks the big one for blind people.
>
> On 2/4/15, Chris Belle via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>> I hate this ghetto mentallity toard
>> doing something skilled and
>> doing a professional job.
>>
>>
>> Cheap has a lot of meanings, but it often means of low quality, or
>> takin what you can get.
>> I run a business here,
>> and I expect to have to pay for the cost of doing business, diferent
>> for folks just doing a hobby, I know, but this sort of we want it all
>> for nothing and poor blindy mentallity is why nothing ever gets done
>> for reaper.
>>
>> I know us blind
>> aren't rich folks, but most blindies I know will pay for what they
>> want, they'll buy a 800 dollar iphone, but bitch about paying 10 bucks
>> for a piece of software, now just think if everyone gave 20 bucks for
>> reaper development for someone like Jamie to develop reaper, how far
>> we'd get?
>>
>> You don't think Jamie worked for nothing when I was working with him
>> for sonar development back a few years ago?
>>
>> Quiet a few benefited and piggy backed off that I imagine.
>>
>> So if you're not willing to put a few bucks in to what you do, then
>> you have no business doing it, you're not serious about it.
>>
>> That's just how I feel about the whole thing, when you pay for
>> something, you respect it.
>>
>>
>> On 2/4/2015 6:13 AM, Hrvoje Katić via RWP wrote:
>>> Yep, but CakeTalking costs too much as well as Sonar. Reaper is far
>>> more cheap and accessibility solution is freeware.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> LP,
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>>> 4.2.2015. u 13:04, Jayson Smith via RWP je napisao/la:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I, too, would be in favor of single-key commands for the most common
>>>> actions. Cake Talking for Sonar, which is for me the gold standard
>>>> of DAW accessibility, uses single-key commands for the most common
>>>> actions. Mute, solo, arm, etc. And it has a standard view where you
>>>> use up/down to move between tracks, and left/right to move between
>>>> parameters on a track such as name, mute, solo, arm, volume, pan, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Jayson
>>>>
>>>> On 2/4/2015 3:37 AM, Hrvoje Katić via RWP wrote:
>>>>> Well, personally I don't like default Reaper keymap. Some important
>>>>> actions are not assigned to any keystroke by default (move by beats
>>>>> and bars is a good example), and you have to hold control and alt
>>>>> while navigating tracks with up and down arrow, and also
>>>>> control+alt+arrow keys have a conflict with some graphics drivers
>>>>> where these keystrokes are assigned to rotate screen.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> LP,
>>>>> Hrvoje
>>>>>
>>>>> Private email: hrvoje.katic at yandex.com
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>>>>> 4.2.2015. u 0:44, Zack Benton via RWP je napisao/la:
>>>>>> Agreed, I admit that the re access keymap is a bit harder to learn.
>>>>>> On 2/3/2015 18:16, James Teh via RWP wrote:
>>>>>>> Anyway, I didn't mean to start a debate on what is "best";
>>>>>>> everyone has their preferences. My point is that if even I (as
>>>>>>> the primary author) am using something different to the ReaAccess
>>>>>>> key map, I'd be very reluctant to include a ReaAccess based key
>>>>>>> map as the default. At the very least, that key map is harder to
>>>>>>> learn initially. This is why I haven't included a key map at all
>>>>>>> at this point. Perhaps we could include a ReaAccess key map as an
>>>>>>> option, but I'm reluctant to make it a "default".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jamie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/02/2015 7:19 AM, Scott Chesworth via RWP wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have alien length fingers, so this might not work for
>>>>>>>> everyone, but I've found non-separated F keys a lot easier since
>>>>>>>> I started treating them as an extra row rather than counting
>>>>>>>> along them. The experience is a little different from laptop to
>>>>>>>> laptop, but with a wee bit of practice to get the muscle memory
>>>>>>>> locked in I can comfortably hit mute, solo, arm, phase etc
>>>>>>>> without leaving the touch typing position or counting. This is
>>>>>>>> coming from someone who fought pretty hard against those keys
>>>>>>>> being used for those functions in the first place, so I guess
>>>>>>>> you could say I'm converted now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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