[Rwp] [RWP] OSARA, an open-source ReaAccess replacement in development

Wed Feb 4 14:12:39 EST 2015

Same here. I consider myself a high intermediate user. Still tons of stuff I don't know because I haven't needed to, that is, until I do...

> On Feb 4, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Scott Chesworth via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
> 
> Jim, this sounds like a cool approach. I'm probably not a well-rounded
> enough user to come up with a winner either, but I'll gladly test any
> versions that might appear for consideration and keep track of the
> overall popularity of each. Anyone who is going to submit a map for
> consideration, it'd be helpful if you can start a fresh thread,
> something like your name followed by keymap. For example, "Patrick
> keymap". That's my nomination too btw :P
> 
> 
> On 2/4/15, Jim Snowbarger via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>> Yep,  he didn’t mean to cause a firestorm of controversy over key
>> assignments.  But, oh, what he did.
>> 
>> <grin>
>> 
>> I don’t think I have ever defined a key map in my life that somebody didn’t
>> like.  Often, it is lots of somebodies.  You really can’t win.
>> 
>> But, while custimizeability can lead to improvement for the individual, it
>> does cause problems when a group like this is trying to help somebody.
>> 
>> What key map are, you. using today?
>> 
>> But, I suspect our friendly developer has his hands full, just trying to get
>> OSARA to work correctly, as it struggles to deal with the quirks of Reaper,
>> and key maps are probably pretty far from his mind just now.  That is as it
>> should be.
>> 
>> While he is focusing on the  underlying mechanisms, maybe we can help with
>> the human factors part.
>> 
>> We could probably actually be helpful if we would find a way for this group
>> to collaborate, and create a map for him.
>> 
>> I’m scratching my head, trying to figure out a means of doing that
>> effectively.
>> 
>> My initial thought would be for one of our experts to lay out a straw man
>> for consideration.  Then, once we have all reviewed that map, people could
>> startwriting in about entries they didn’t like, and suggesting alternatives
>> for that entry.  We would deal with it one contravercial entry at a time.
>> 
>> The final decision should come from a power user, one who is grounded
>> inpractical experience, with a need to be productive and efficient, , and
>> knows what it is actually like to use this tool with such a map.
>> 
>> Once he has heard all our complaints and suggestions, he decides, and that
>> becomes the official setting for that entry.
>> 
>> Once we’re done arguing about the nuances, that would become the official
>> Peepers key map for Osara.  And, we need a convenient way for the novice to
>> direct Osara to use the official map, so we can talk apples to apples when
>> trying to help them.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Does anybody volunteer to start the process?  I am definitely not a power
>> user, and so declare myself to lack the necessary experience
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Jayson Smith
>> via RWP
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 6:05 AM
>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] [RWP] OSARA, an open-source ReaAccess replacement in
>> development
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I, too, would be in favor of single-key commands for the most common
>> actions. Cake Talking for Sonar, which is for me the gold standard of DAW
>> accessibility, uses single-key commands for the most common actions. Mute,
>> solo, arm, etc. And it has a standard view where you use up/down to move
>> between tracks, and left/right to move between parameters on a track such as
>> name, mute, solo, arm, volume, pan, etc.
>> 
>> Jayson
>> 
>> On 2/4/2015 3:37 AM, Hrvoje Katić via RWP wrote:
>> 
>> Well, personally I don't like default Reaper keymap. Some important actions
>> are not assigned to any keystroke by default (move by beats and bars is a
>> good example), and you have to hold control and alt while navigating tracks
>> with up and down arrow, and also control+alt+arrow keys have a conflict with
>> some graphics drivers where these keystrokes are assigned to rotate screen.
>> 
>> 
>> LP,
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>> 4.2.2015. u 0:44, Zack Benton via RWP je napisao/la:
>> 
>> Agreed, I admit that the re access keymap is a bit harder to learn.
>> On 2/3/2015 18:16, James Teh via RWP wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Anyway, I didn't mean to start a debate on what is "best"; everyone has
>> their preferences. My point is that if even I (as the primary author) am
>> using something different to the ReaAccess key map, I'd be very reluctant to
>> include a ReaAccess based key map as the default. At the very least, that
>> key map is harder to learn initially. This is why I haven't included a key
>> map at all at this point. Perhaps we could include a ReaAccess key map as an
>> option, but I'm reluctant to make it a "default".
>> 
>> Jamie
>> 
>> On 4/02/2015 7:19 AM, Scott Chesworth via RWP wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have alien length fingers, so this might not work for everyone, but
>> I've found non-separated F keys a lot easier since I started treating
>> them as an extra row rather than counting along them. The experience
>> is a little different from laptop to laptop, but with a wee bit of
>> practice to get the muscle memory locked in I can comfortably hit
>> mute, solo, arm, phase etc without leaving the touch typing position
>> or counting. This is coming from someone who fought pretty hard
>> against those keys being used for those functions in the first place,
>> so I guess you could say I'm converted now.
>> 
>> 
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