[Rwp] OSARA, an open-source ReaAccess replacement in development

Jim Snowbarger snowman at snowmanradio.com
Wed Feb 4 14:06:29 EST 2015 

I do use that tab key thing, for volume and pan, as Patrick mentioned, to check on those settings, or because you can change them so much more quickly there.  Alt up and down arrow is painfully slow, going in 0.1DB steps.  And, that tab interface is the only way I know to just get with it, and jump to a radically different new setting.
The rest of it I don't use.


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From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Perdue via RWP
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 7:18 AM
To: Reapers Without Peepers
Subject: Re: [Rwp] OSARA, an open-source ReaAccess replacement in development

I use the tab thingy a lot, mostly just to adjust track volume/pan, or to look at where it is without changing it. If everything else in that disappeared, I don't think I would miss it too much, but I do like having those there.

> On Feb 4, 2015, at 7:49 AM, Scott Chesworth via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
> 
> One thing to keep in mind is that the approach CakeTalking and JSonar 
> both use loosely represents Sonars GUI. Bringing the same layout over 
> to Reaper could probably be done, but it'd mean we were using a 
> totally different layout to anyone who's using Reaper without a screen 
> reader. I wouldn't be keen on this, mostly because there are people 
> out there who use magnification alongside their screen reader, and 
> they wouldn't know whether they were coming or going.
> 
> On a vaguely related note, does anyone here make heavy use of that 
> virtual view thingy you get when you press tab with a track or item 
> selected? Personally I haven't ever seen the point of it, but I've 
> never been sure whether that's because I'm being reluctant to use an 
> alternative interface.
> 
> On 2/4/15, Jayson Smith via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>> You won't get any argument from me on those points. Not to mention 
>> that CakeTalking requires probably the most expensive screen reader 
>> on the market, and unless something recent has happened, hasn't been 
>> updated in a while, because of major changes made to Sonar itself. 
>> However, for my DAW, that is what I use, but I always welcome 
>> alternatives. When Reaper and ReaAccess first came on the scene, I 
>> played with it, but really couldn't get into it. Hopefully that will change.
>> Jayson
>> 
>> On 2/4/2015 7:13 AM, Hrvoje Katić via RWP wrote:
>>> Yep, but CakeTalking costs too much as well as Sonar. Reaper is far 
>>> more cheap and accessibility solution is freeware.
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 4.2.2015. u 13:04, Jayson Smith via RWP je napisao/la:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I, too, would be in favor of single-key commands for the most 
>>>> common actions. Cake Talking for Sonar, which is for me the gold 
>>>> standard of DAW accessibility, uses single-key commands for the 
>>>> most common actions. Mute, solo, arm, etc. And it has a standard 
>>>> view where you use up/down to move between tracks, and left/right 
>>>> to move between parameters on a track such as name, mute, solo, arm, volume, pan, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> Jayson
>>>> 
>>>> On 2/4/2015 3:37 AM, Hrvoje Katić via RWP wrote:
>>>>> Well, personally I don't like default Reaper keymap. Some 
>>>>> important actions are not assigned to any keystroke by default 
>>>>> (move by beats and bars is a good example), and you have to hold 
>>>>> control and alt while navigating tracks with up and down arrow, 
>>>>> and also
>>>>> control+alt+arrow keys have a conflict with some graphics drivers
>>>>> where these keystrokes are assigned to rotate screen.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> LP,
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>>>>> 4.2.2015. u 0:44, Zack Benton via RWP je napisao/la:
>>>>>> Agreed, I admit that the re access keymap is a bit harder to learn.
>>>>>> On 2/3/2015 18:16, James Teh via RWP wrote:
>>>>>>> Anyway, I didn't mean to start a debate on what is "best"; 
>>>>>>> everyone has their preferences. My point is that if even I (as 
>>>>>>> the primary author) am using something different to the 
>>>>>>> ReaAccess key map, I'd be very reluctant to include a ReaAccess 
>>>>>>> based key map as the default. At the very least, that key map is 
>>>>>>> harder to learn initially. This is why I haven't included a key 
>>>>>>> map at all at this point. Perhaps we could include a ReaAccess 
>>>>>>> key map as an option, but I'm reluctant to make it a "default".
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jamie
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 4/02/2015 7:19 AM, Scott Chesworth via RWP wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have alien length fingers, so this might not work for 
>>>>>>>> everyone, but I've found non-separated F keys a lot easier 
>>>>>>>> since I started treating them as an extra row rather than 
>>>>>>>> counting along them. The experience is a little different from 
>>>>>>>> laptop to laptop, but with a wee bit of practice to get the 
>>>>>>>> muscle memory locked in I can comfortably hit mute, solo, arm, 
>>>>>>>> phase etc without leaving the touch typing position or 
>>>>>>>> counting. This is coming from someone who fought pretty hard 
>>>>>>>> against those keys being used for those functions in the first 
>>>>>>>> place, so I guess you could say I'm converted now.
>>>>>>>> 
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