[Rwp] Using envelope points with ReaAccess

Chris Belle cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
Sat Dec 26 09:52:40 EST 2015 

Well, we'll seee what the master programmers say, I just know that it's 
a real life saver whenworking with autohotkey.

With hot strings, you have pretty much limitless handles for options, 
and you don't have to double up on keystrokes, I don't like that,
in general, that's such a sensable approach to handling large numbers of 
controls, giving a special ending character to let your app know it's a 
hot string, and you can define what you want.

On 12/24/2015 5:52 PM, Justin wrote:
> I don't know how much Rea Console allows you to do. I only use its 
> most basic functionality - changing volume and pan for tracks. Perhaps 
> there's more hard-core stuff you can do with that,
>
> Justin
>
> On 24/12/2015 16:47, Chris Belle wrote:
>> I've never seen this implemented with a screen-reader, but I love how 
>> autohotkey does actions.
>> With hot strings you can define,
>> any string at all,
>> like vol. for volume, and pan. for pan,
>> or anything you want, perhaps this with the help of sws could be 
>> implemented so we could have our own intuitive hot strings to make 
>> actions happen.
>>
>>
>> On 12/23/2015 10:51 PM, Justin wrote:
>>> there are lots of SWS actions that cover every possible eventuality 
>>> and only so many combinations you can use with the numpad numbers 
>>> and the standard number row. Therefore, when you are dealing with 
>>> actions that do something to a specific slot in an fx chain or a 
>>> specific midi track, six presses could help - sextruple tap to get 
>>> to slot six for example. It's not ideal I agree, but it certainly 
>>> beats not having the keys to do it at all,
>>>
>>> Justin
>>>
>>> On 23/12/2015 23:29, Snowman wrote:
>>>> Yep, I guess we all know what it is. My comment was just that 6 
>>>> presses gets a bit crazy, and less than intuitive, not to mention 
>>>> less than handy when you are in a hurry.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8 at cogeco.ca>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 4:38 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Using envelope points with ReaAccess
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have no problem with multi-press for various
>>>> things. I'm used to it with CakeTalking. F to
>>>> hear what's in the fx bin on a track or bus, F
>>>> twice quickly to go there. X to move to the first
>>>> send, double X quickly to move to the second, that sort of thing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 05:00 PM 12/23/2015, you wrote:
>>>>> Your options just mushroom with multi-press and if you combine 
>>>>> things intuitively I think it could really improve work-flow. 
>>>>> Metering is the only thing keeping me from feeling completely at 
>>>>> home with Osara. I'd submit a ticket if I new how to do it 
>>>>> outlining my reasons. When I find a new action I want to map, I 
>>>>> really do struggle to find a free key combination so I'm all for 
>>>>> multi-press, Justin On 23/12/2015 18:57, Scott Chesworth wrote: > 
>>>>> It does, thanks man. Metering is definitely something I need to 
>>>>> talk > with Jamie about. In theory, OSARA can do multi presses, 
>>>>> it's already > being used to read position information, but I 
>>>>> can't honestly say that > I'm a huge fan of the concept 
>>>>> personally. Then again, as things stand, > the keymap is getting 
>>>>> to be quite a mind-boggler, so maybe I'll have > to suck it up. > 
>>>>> > Scott > > On 12/23/15, Justin <justinmacleod at hotmail.com> wrote: 
>>>>> >> Hi, >> >> I'm teaching someone who is particularly keen to use 
>>>>> ReaEar but find the >> keymap difficult, understandably. However, 
>>>>> there are two great things >> about ReaEar, which I do really 
>>>>> like. What I want to do ideally is to >> see if I can create a 
>>>>> keymap including macros that will enable Osara and >> ReaEar to 
>>>>> function concurrently so I can have the best of both and offer >> 
>>>>> it to others who are interested. This should be theoretically 
>>>>> possible >> since one can enable and disable ReaEar. >> >> What I 
>>>>> like about ReaEar is the way it handles metering, since it >> 
>>>>> enables you to monitor a track and the master simultaneously and 
>>>>> also to >> press j and k to get a very rough picture of the wave 
>>>>> forms rms. I find >> this particularly useful when determining how 
>>>>> to set a noise gate etc. >> >> Also, ReaEar incorporates 
>>>>> customisable multi-press functionality, which, >> given that we're 
>>>>> running out of keys, is brilliant. I have configured >> some keys 
>>>>> with up to six presses, meaning that we can use the keyboard >> to 
>>>>> do so much more. For example, I have it set so that one press of f 
>>>>> >> works in the familiar way but a double press brings up the 
>>>>> input effects >> chain dialogue etc. >> >> Hope this makes sense, 
>>>>> >> >> Justin >> >> On 23/12/2015 18:16, Scott Chesworth wrote: >>> 
>>>>> Hi Justin, >>> >>> Out of interest, what are you getting from 
>>>>> ReaEar that's making the >>> work redesigning the keymap worth 
>>>>> your time? I'm curious. >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> On 12/23/15, Justin 
>>>>> <justinmacleod at hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> It will behave in a 
>>>>> similar way to Rea Access if you do some intense >>>> fiddling 
>>>>> with the keymap. I am well underway with this and, once >>>> 
>>>>> complete, will be happy to share a keymap to the list. If you use 
>>>>> >>>> ReaEar's default keymap, it's so different as to require you 
>>>>> to relearn >>>> Reaper's key strokes from the ground up and some 
>>>>> are very >>>> counter-intuitive e.g. alt f4 doesn't close Reaper. 
>>>>> >>>> >>>> Hope this helps, >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> On 
>>>>> 23/12/2015 14:21, Scott Chesworth wrote: >>>>> Hi David, >>>>> 
>>>>> >>>>> You can indeed use ReaEar with JAWS, but if you're looking 
>>>>> for similar >>>>> behaviour to ReaAccess, OSARA will likely be 
>>>>> more up your alley. >>>>> >>>>> You can grab a download, a keymap, 
>>>>> and check the ReadMe at >>>>> http://www.github.com/nvaccess/osara 
>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Also worth noting that Jim Snowbarger has just started 
>>>>> work on some >>>>> scripts that tidy up JAWS weirdness. They'll be 
>>>>> merged with the rest >>>>> of the project soon, but for now, I've 
>>>>> attached the most recent >>>>> version he posted to the list. 
>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hth >>>>> >>>>> Scott >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 12/23/15, 
>>>>> david hindmarch <david.hindmarch1 at ntlworld.com> wrote: >>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks, That was very helpful, but can you use reaEar with jaws 
>>>>> and >>>>>> will >>>>>> it >>>>>> behave in a similar way to 
>>>>> ReaAccess? >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Justin >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 
>>>>> December 23, 2015 1:14 PM >>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers 
>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Using envelope points with ReaAccess 
>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> you cannot automate using envelope 
>>>>> points and Rea Access to my >>>>>> knowledge. >>>>>> you can only 
>>>>> automate by using the various automation modes and >>>>>> 
>>>>> manipulating >>>>>> the sliders for pan, volume or those in the 
>>>>> effects parameter >>>>>> dialogues. >>>>>> Once you have recorded 
>>>>> changes, there is no way to fine tune what you >>>>>> have >>>>>> 
>>>>> done - you just have to do it over until you get it how you want 
>>>>> it in >>>>>> one >>>>>> go if that makes sense. >>>>>> >>>>>> Both 
>>>>> ReaEar and Osara provide means to edit envelope points, which is a 
>>>>> >>>>>> far >>>>>> less hectic and nerve-wracking way to do 
>>>>> automation, at least for me, >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>>> 
>>>>> >>>>>> Justin >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 23/12/2015 12:46, david 
>>>>> hindmarch wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I am using ReaAccess with Reaper 
>>>>> 4.71 and Jaws 13 in windows 7. >>>>>> Can any one help me who has 
>>>>> been able to use envelope points, I >>>>>> havenâ?Tt >>>>>> been 
>>>>> very successful at automating an effects parameter as yet.  I 
>>>>> >>>>>> would >>>>>> be >>>>>> very grateful for any guidance. 
>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 
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