[Rwp] Using envelope points with ReaAccess

Justin justinmacleod at hotmail.com
Thu Dec 24 18:52:25 EST 2015 

I don't know how much Rea Console allows you to do. I only use its most 
basic functionality - changing volume and pan for tracks. Perhaps 
there's more hard-core stuff you can do with that,

Justin

On 24/12/2015 16:47, Chris Belle wrote:
> I've never seen this implemented with a screen-reader, but I love how 
> autohotkey does actions.
> With hot strings you can define,
> any string at all,
> like vol. for volume, and pan. for pan,
> or anything you want, perhaps this with the help of sws could be 
> implemented so we could have our own intuitive hot strings to make 
> actions happen.
>
>
> On 12/23/2015 10:51 PM, Justin wrote:
>> there are lots of SWS actions that cover every possible eventuality 
>> and only so many combinations you can use with the numpad numbers and 
>> the standard number row. Therefore, when you are dealing with actions 
>> that do something to a specific slot in an fx chain or a specific 
>> midi track, six presses could help - sextruple tap to get to slot six 
>> for example. It's not ideal I agree, but it certainly beats not 
>> having the keys to do it at all,
>>
>> Justin
>>
>> On 23/12/2015 23:29, Snowman wrote:
>>> Yep, I guess we all know what it is.  My comment was just that 6 
>>> presses gets a bit crazy, and less than intuitive, not to mention 
>>> less than handy when you are in a hurry.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8 at cogeco.ca>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 4:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Using envelope points with ReaAccess
>>>
>>>
>>> I have no problem with multi-press for various
>>> things. I'm used to it with CakeTalking. F to
>>> hear what's in the fx bin on a track or bus, F
>>> twice quickly to go there. X to move to the first
>>> send, double X quickly to move to the second, that sort of thing.
>>>
>>>
>>> At 05:00 PM 12/23/2015, you wrote:
>>>> Your options just mushroom with multi-press and if you combine 
>>>> things intuitively I think it could really improve work-flow. 
>>>> Metering is the only thing keeping me from feeling completely at 
>>>> home with Osara. I'd submit a ticket if I new how to do it 
>>>> outlining my reasons. When I find a new action I want to map, I 
>>>> really do struggle to find a free key combination so I'm all for 
>>>> multi-press, Justin On 23/12/2015 18:57, Scott Chesworth wrote: > 
>>>> It does, thanks man. Metering is definitely something I need to 
>>>> talk > with Jamie about. In theory, OSARA can do multi presses, 
>>>> it's already > being used to read position information, but I can't 
>>>> honestly say that > I'm a huge fan of the concept personally. Then 
>>>> again, as things stand, > the keymap is getting to be quite a 
>>>> mind-boggler, so maybe I'll have > to suck it up. > > Scott > > On 
>>>> 12/23/15, Justin <justinmacleod at hotmail.com> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> 
>>>> I'm teaching someone who is particularly keen to use ReaEar but 
>>>> find the >> keymap difficult, understandably. However, there are 
>>>> two great things >> about ReaEar, which I do really like. What I 
>>>> want to do ideally is to >> see if I can create a keymap including 
>>>> macros that will enable Osara and >> ReaEar to function 
>>>> concurrently so I can have the best of both and offer >> it to 
>>>> others who are interested. This should be theoretically possible >> 
>>>> since one can enable and disable ReaEar. >> >> What I like about 
>>>> ReaEar is the way it handles metering, since it >> enables you to 
>>>> monitor a track and the master simultaneously and also to >> press 
>>>> j and k to get a very rough picture of the wave forms rms. I find 
>>>> >> this particularly useful when determining how to set a noise 
>>>> gate etc. >> >> Also, ReaEar incorporates customisable multi-press 
>>>> functionality, which, >> given that we're running out of keys, is 
>>>> brilliant. I have configured >> some keys with up to six presses, 
>>>> meaning that we can use the keyboard >> to do so much more. For 
>>>> example, I have it set so that one press of f >> works in the 
>>>> familiar way but a double press brings up the input effects >> 
>>>> chain dialogue etc. >> >> Hope this makes sense, >> >> Justin >> >> 
>>>> On 23/12/2015 18:16, Scott Chesworth wrote: >>> Hi Justin, >>> >>> 
>>>> Out of interest, what are you getting from ReaEar that's making the 
>>>> >>> work redesigning the keymap worth your time? I'm curious. >>> 
>>>> >>> Scott >>> >>> On 12/23/15, Justin <justinmacleod at hotmail.com> 
>>>> wrote: >>>> It will behave in a similar way to Rea Access if you do 
>>>> some intense >>>> fiddling with the keymap. I am well underway with 
>>>> this and, once >>>> complete, will be happy to share a keymap to 
>>>> the list. If you use >>>> ReaEar's default keymap, it's so 
>>>> different as to require you to relearn >>>> Reaper's key strokes 
>>>> from the ground up and some are very >>>> counter-intuitive e.g. 
>>>> alt f4 doesn't close Reaper. >>>> >>>> Hope this helps, >>>> >>>> 
>>>> Justin >>>> >>>> On 23/12/2015 14:21, Scott Chesworth wrote: >>>>> 
>>>> Hi David, >>>>> >>>>> You can indeed use ReaEar with JAWS, but if 
>>>> you're looking for similar >>>>> behaviour to ReaAccess, OSARA will 
>>>> likely be more up your alley. >>>>> >>>>> You can grab a download, 
>>>> a keymap, and check the ReadMe at >>>>> 
>>>> http://www.github.com/nvaccess/osara >>>>> >>>>> Also worth noting 
>>>> that Jim Snowbarger has just started work on some >>>>> scripts 
>>>> that tidy up JAWS weirdness. They'll be merged with the rest >>>>> 
>>>> of the project soon, but for now, I've attached the most recent 
>>>> >>>>> version he posted to the list. >>>>> >>>>> Hth >>>>> >>>>> 
>>>> Scott >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 12/23/15, david hindmarch 
>>>> <david.hindmarch1 at ntlworld.com> wrote: >>>>>> Thanks, That was very 
>>>> helpful, but can you use reaEar with jaws and >>>>>> will >>>>>> it 
>>>> >>>>>> behave in a similar way to ReaAccess? >>>>>> >>>>>> From: 
>>>> Justin >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:14 PM >>>>>> To: 
>>>> Reapers Without Peepers >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Using envelope 
>>>> points with ReaAccess >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> you cannot 
>>>> automate using envelope points and Rea Access to my >>>>>> 
>>>> knowledge. >>>>>> you can only automate by using the various 
>>>> automation modes and >>>>>> manipulating >>>>>> the sliders for 
>>>> pan, volume or those in the effects parameter >>>>>> dialogues. 
>>>> >>>>>> Once you have recorded changes, there is no way to fine tune 
>>>> what you >>>>>> have >>>>>> done - you just have to do it over 
>>>> until you get it how you want it in >>>>>> one >>>>>> go if that 
>>>> makes sense. >>>>>> >>>>>> Both ReaEar and Osara provide means to 
>>>> edit envelope points, which is a >>>>>> far >>>>>> less hectic and 
>>>> nerve-wracking way to do automation, at least for me, >>>>>> >>>>>> 
>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>>> >>>>>> Justin >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 
>>>> 23/12/2015 12:46, david hindmarch wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I am using 
>>>> ReaAccess with Reaper 4.71 and Jaws 13 in windows 7. >>>>>> Can any 
>>>> one help me who has been able to use envelope points, I >>>>>> 
>>>> havenâ?Tt >>>>>> been very successful at automating an effects 
>>>> parameter as yet.  I >>>>>> would >>>>>> be >>>>>> very grateful 
>>>> for any guidance. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 
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