[Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?

Thu Apr 16 00:06:21 EDT 2015

Well, fortunaetly,
most of my midi tracks I've created already have sensible track 
splitting up of channels and such, but this is good to know.
think I've seen this.

Now this brings me to another thought.

Sonar allows parameter adjustment on both midi and audio tracks, for 
either automatible parms
or midi cc values, and they are built in to sonar.

But no midi built in to reaper, we have the midi control plug thingy, 
but can we send generic cc values on just midi tracks if we want?

thought I saw some extra fields in the midi control plug, but didn't see 
a way to immediately assign them, they looked blank.

I'll go look again,
but if we could assign arbitrary cc values for synths that support it 
that would be good.

Now I'll go try and answer my own question.

On 4/15/2015 4:28 AM, David P Shortland via RWP wrote:
> Hi & Greetings from Down Under...
>
> I think there may be a command under the Item Processing Menu to split 
> a MIDID file into seperate MIDI Channel trax...
>
> To get to the usable Event Editor I use Control plus Alt plus E.
>
> Then when a certain Item is Selected within the List Control plus F2 
> gives you access to all that Events parameters.
>
> You can also do Global changes to a list by Selecting all Events and 
> using the same Control plus F2.
>
> There is also a way to filter the Event List, but at this point of 
> time I cannot remember what it is...*ugh*
>
> David P Shortland
> DragonScore Productions
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Belle via RWP
> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 7:13 PM
> To: Reapers Without Peepers
> Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
>
> Something else,
> when I did control e to get the midi editor,
> on a bass track for instance, I saw stuff that looked like it was from
> other tracks.
>
> The bass is on midi channel 2 but I saw stuff from channel 6.
>
> I vaguely remember something about having to make a setting so you only
> saw specific events, but can't find that email now.
> At that time, I wasn't going to pursue midi with  reaper, but now I'm
> tryin to give it a fair chance before writing it off as too much fuss
> and bother to do something which is so very easy in sonar.
> 'grin'.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4/15/2015 2:03 AM, Patrick Perdue via RWP wrote:
>> Are you working with a midi file that already has bank/patch 
>> information? If so, then they will reset. I think you'll have to 
>> change that in the event editor.
>>
>> On 4/15/2015 1:51 AM, Chris Belle via RWP wrote:
>>> To further exasterbate the issue, when I try and set a program 
>>> change or
>>> bank msb, lsb on the feeding midi track with the midi control thingy,
>>> it doesn't stick.
>>>
>>> I've eliminated all but one track to make sure nothing is conflicting,
>>> just a single midi track and the soft synth.
>>>
>>> So, no go on the cakewalk tts.
>>> for the moment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/15/2015 12:39 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>> Well, now I'm scratching my head.
>>>>
>>>> I imported an instance of the tts from cakewalk and one of my midi
>>>> files, and did the easy thing, told reaper to make receives to all the
>>>> channels from the I/O dialogue.
>>>> on teh tts soft synth.
>>>>
>>>> Then inserted the midi control on my bass track, which should be up
>>>> stream from the synth you'd think.
>>>>
>>>> No matter what i did, I could not get the program  to change
>>>>
>>>> I should try this with some actual hardware, since I know soft synths
>>>> can be pecular in how they handle midi commands, and tts is a cakewalk
>>>> thing, but you'd think being a standard gm level 2 synth, it'd act 
>>>> right.
>>>>
>>>> Oh well, we'll keep pecking away at it here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/14/2015 11:55 PM, Chris Belle via RWP wrote:
>>>>> Well, to take an ancient example, why did frontier folk always drink
>>>>> up stream from the cattle herd when they were watering?
>>>>>
>>>>> Think about it for a minute 'grin'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because in a signal path, as well as in nature, things flow from
>>>>> point a to point b.
>>>>>
>>>>> So if you're transmitting program changes, and your synth is up
>>>>> stream from it, it will never see it.
>>>>>
>>>>> You want your synth to be down stream from the midi control plug so
>>>>> it can see the information that comes to it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/14/2015 11:07 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP wrote:
>>>>>> Ooo, that's a good thing to know. Why would you want it in the
>>>>>> chain before the soft synth though? I've never totally understood
>>>>>> that... sorry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Perdue via RWP"
>>>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 1:36 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It will work for any software or hardware that does bank/patch
>>>>>> changes. Be sure to put it before the softsynth in the plugin order.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 14, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Chris Belle via RWP
>>>>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey, I tried that plug and it didn't work for me, but I wonder if
>>>>>>> maybe it was because I was using a soft synth?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does this plug-in only work for hardware modules?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/14/2015 10:49 AM, Gianluca Apollaro via RWP wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> After you set you're hardware as a midi output, you need to use
>>>>>>>> ReaControlMidi, that is a reaper plugin. Add it to your track and
>>>>>>>> you should be able to change the patches if you're hardware
>>>>>>>> responds to program change messages
>>>>>>>> Hth,
>>>>>>>> Gianluca from Italy
>>>>>>>> SkypeID: gianluca8815
>>>>>>>> Il 14/04/2015 14:51, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>> No, this does support audio.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let me be as specific as possible.  I wasn't going to be as the
>>>>>>>>> last time I was, I got my F**king ass bitten off publicly on
>>>>>>>>> list, by a few people, and therefore I've purposely made it a
>>>>>>>>> point to not write, in their words, a novel.  But in this case,
>>>>>>>>> it's looking like I need to do more explaining, as you all don't
>>>>>>>>> seem to get the type hardware I'm using.  Maybe you do, and I`!
>>>>>>>>> just don't get what you all are saying.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Firstly, no need to educate me on midi most likely, unless you
>>>>>>>>> still! see me going wrong with my logic, (no pun intended, LOL!)
>>>>>>>>> but anyway, here's the two scenareos.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Firstly, I have a Roland RP401R Rosewood digital piano which has
>>>>>>>>> built in speakers.  It also has a line out on the back of it,
>>>>>>>>> which I'm running into one of the stereo channels of my
>>>>>>>>> interface.  I totally get that the sound I get from the unit will
>>>>>>>>> have to be sent through the line out, down the chain to my
>>>>>>>>> interface's channel line in, which then will be fed into Reaper.
>>>>>>>>> I totally totally get that.  I further also totally get that midi
>>>>>>>>> isn't audio. You can't know the amount of times I've had to tell
>>>>>>>>> people this!  It's gets so freaking old! Anyway, this digital
>>>>>>>>> piano in my personal opinion is more of a very low end/very very
>>>>>>>>> and did I mention, very! souped up digital piano. I say that
>>>>>>>>> because it's not got all the features by any means you'd find on
>>>>>>>>> a pro grade keyboard. The emphesis definitely is more on the
>>>>>>>>> piano functionality, however, it does have a bank of samples
>>>>>>>>> built on board probably about 300 of them in addition to the 11
>>>>>>>>> different featured piano samples it offers.  So, you have all the
>>>>>>>>> norms like drums, strings, organs, brass, woodwinds, guitars,
>>>>>>>>> bases, etc. The samples are actually incredible!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, so I connect the piano to my system via USB which
>>>>>>>>> asyncronisly does midi in, and midi out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, what I'm trying to do is, if I go into Reaper, and I hit
>>>>>>>>> ctrl+T to create a new track, name it, then hit enter to save the
>>>>>>>>> track name and insert the track into the project, Then, I'm
>>>>>>>>> trying firstly to figure out then how to set the input and output
>>>>>>>>> to my Roland midi device.  I presume it's the same as setting the
>>>>>>>>> input and output on a midi track which I import from a midi .mid
>>>>>>>>> file. More about that though in a second.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, now, let's just say I figure it out, and I get the in and out
>>>>>>>>> on that track set to midi for my Roland piano/keyboard. I've also
>>>>>>>>> set local to off on my piano menus so that the only sound I hear
>>>>>>>>> when hitting notes is that produced by the midi data when that
>>>>>>>>> track is armed. So now, what I want to know is, firstly, I'm
>>>>>>>>> hitting keys and hearing a grand piano.  I want to now instead
>>>>>>>>> however hear say a saxophone.  So, what I'm firstly asking is,
>>>>>>>>> before even hitting R to record anything on that track, how do I
>>>>>>>>> set the patch to a sax instead of a piano as it now is?  I get
>>>>>>>>> that shift+P would work to let me adjust parameters on the last
>>>>>>>>> touched track on all its effects in the chain, but that's just
>>>>>>>>> it. There are no effects yet on the track. There are no soft
>>>>>>>>> synths either as I'm doing this stricly via hardware.  The sounds
>>>>>>>>> won't be coming from a software virtual instrument. They'll be
>>>>>>>>> coming from the sounds built into my Roland piano, then sent out
>>>>>>>>> the Roland piano's line out, back into my interface, then
>>>>>>>>> captured in Reaper onto an audio track during the final mix. Does
>>>>>>>>> that make a little bit more sense?  This Roland isn't just a
>>>>>>>>> controller.  It's a full fledged digital piano workstation. It
>>>>>>>>> has built in speakers, and built in sounds.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK, as for the two senarios, that was the first. Here's the 
>>>>>>>>> second.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let's say that I have a midi .mid file and I go into Reaper, no
>>>>>>>>> tracks in the project, go to the insert menu and then to media
>>>>>>>>> file.  I then browse for, and open the .mid midi file which
>>>>>>>>> already has been pre-recorded, probably not even from within
>>>>>>>>> Reaper initially.  We're talking just a midi file maybe I find
>>>>>>>>> online for example. I say to import the tempo map etc, tell it to
>>>>>>>>> import all tracks seperetly, etc. So now, I have a project, say
>>>>>>>>> with 13 or so tracks.  Piano, base, drums, toms, tiko drums,
>>>>>>>>> strings, flute, etc.  I down arrow through each track, tab into
>>>>>>>>> the strip, and set the outputs from none over to my Roland.  I do
>>>>>>>>> this on all tracks, then, I hit w, or home, either or to move to
>>>>>>>>> the start of the project, and then hit space bar to play.  I
>>>>>>>>> definitely do hear the midi file now routed through the sounds in
>>>>>>>>> my Roland, and all sounds beautifully gorgeous. Then, however, I
>>>>>>>>> get to thinking. You know that flute track?  Hmm! I think
>>>>>>>>> actually a claranette would a sounded better, or hmm, maybe even
>>>>>>>>> a trumpet, instead, even better yet. So, I down arrow to the
>>>>>>>>> flute track.  I hit F2 to rename it to say... trumpoet. OK, now,
>>>>>>>>> I tab through the items on it's strip like input output, volume,
>>>>>>>>> pan, etc. Nowhere though do I see anywhere to select a patch.  I
>>>>>>>>> can't hit shift+P as there are no effects in the chain on that
>>>>>>>>> track, as it's all being done via hardware. Therefore, I can't
>>>>>>>>> exactly menipulate the patch that way, and change it from flute
>>>>>>>>> to trumpet. So then, how do I?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does this make more sense?  Again, I didn't wanna do this. I
>>>>>>>>> didn't wanna write a novel this long, but it's looking like I'm
>>>>>>>>> being misunderstood left and right with what exactly I'm trying
>>>>>>>>> to do.  So, I hope this clears things up, and for those who would
>>>>>>>>> bitch at me for writing such a long message, get over it! How
>>>>>>>>> else would I have explained, you think I wanted? to write
>>>>>>>>> something this long?  Uh, no?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, thanks for the help.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBIN Alexis via RWP"
>>>>>>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 8:15 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh, so you have to record in audio. Your midi keyboard only send
>>>>>>>>> midi
>>>>>>>>> instruction, not the sound bank.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Le 14/04/2015 14:08, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>> OK, but I'm not wanting to do this with a software synth. You're
>>>>>>>>>> not following.  I have a keyboard connected to my interface.  I
>>>>>>>>>> want to play the track and have it play through my keyboard's
>>>>>>>>>> midi in. So in other words, the keyboard is going to be
>>>>>>>>>> producing the sounds with its built in patches. I just need to
>>>>>>>>>> know once I up and down arrow to the track how then to change
>>>>>>>>>> the instrument both before, and after the track has been
>>>>>>>>>> recorded. Say I recorded a track with a flute, but then I
>>>>>>>>>> decided, you know, this would a sounded better had I used an
>>>>>>>>>> oboe instead.  I don't wanna have to go back and redo the entire
>>>>>>>>>> track over. I  just want to change it's patch on the fly.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Again, I'm not doing this with a software synth. This is going
>>>>>>>>>> to be done through the sounds on my keyboard.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle via RWP"
>>>>>>>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 7:32 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Also how you do a patch will differ depending on the synth you
>>>>>>>>>>> pick.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/14/2015 2:13 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I've created a track, and set its output to my Roland midi
>>>>>>>>>>>> controler. Now, how in the world do I select what patch I want
>>>>>>>>>>>> to use on that track? Say for example I want to record a sax
>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of a piano? I tabbed through the track strip, but I
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't see any options to let me select a particular patch
>>>>>>>>>>>> preset.  Same goes if I go to my insert menu in the menu bar,
>>>>>>>>>>>> then to media, and simply import an already recorded midi
>>>>>>>>>>>> file, then want to change the preset on one of the tracks to a
>>>>>>>>>>>> different instrument.
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, how's this done?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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