[Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?

Wed Apr 15 05:49:33 EDT 2015

You're welcome Chris. I hope it helps.

Reaper equals options, many, options... "Smile"

Adrian
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Belle via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
Sender: "RWP" <rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com>Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 03:48:29 
To: Reapers Without Peepers<rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
Reply-To: Reapers Without Peepers <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?

Thanks a lot, will give that a spin.

On 4/15/2015 3:09 AM, adriandavids404--- via RWP wrote:
> Chris,
>
> After ReaControlMidi has been inserted, Tab over to the load button, activate it and load the GM.reabank file. Also be sure to check the check box under bank/program select group. You should now be able to make bank and patch changes using Cakewalk tts.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Adrian
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Belle via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
> Sender: "RWP" <rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com>Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 00:51:26
> To: Reapers Without Peepers<rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
> Reply-To: Reapers Without Peepers <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
>
> To further exasterbate the issue, when I try and set a program change or
> bank msb, lsb on the feeding midi track with the midi control thingy,
> it doesn't stick.
>
> I've eliminated all but one track to make sure nothing is conflicting,
> just a single midi track and the soft synth.
>
> So, no go on the cakewalk tts.
> for the moment.
>
>
>
>
> On 4/15/2015 12:39 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>> Well, now I'm scratching my head.
>>
>> I imported an instance of the tts from cakewalk and one of my midi
>> files, and did the easy thing, told reaper to make receives to all the
>> channels from the I/O dialogue.
>> on teh tts soft synth.
>>
>> Then inserted the midi control on my bass track, which should be up
>> stream from the synth you'd think.
>>
>> No matter what i did, I could not get the program  to change
>>
>> I should try this with some actual hardware, since I know soft synths
>> can be pecular in how they handle midi commands, and tts is a cakewalk
>> thing, but you'd think being a standard gm level 2 synth, it'd act right.
>>
>> Oh well, we'll keep pecking away at it here.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/14/2015 11:55 PM, Chris Belle via RWP wrote:
>>> Well, to take an ancient example, why did frontier folk always drink
>>> up stream from the cattle herd when they were watering?
>>>
>>> Think about it for a minute 'grin'.
>>>
>>> Because in a signal path, as well as in nature, things flow from
>>> point a to point b.
>>>
>>> So if you're transmitting program changes, and your synth is up
>>> stream from it, it will never see it.
>>>
>>> You want your synth to be down stream from the midi control plug so
>>> it can see the information that comes to it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/14/2015 11:07 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP wrote:
>>>> Ooo, that's a good thing to know.  Why would you want it in the
>>>> chain before the soft synth though? I've never totally understood
>>>> that... sorry.
>>>>
>>>> Chris.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Perdue via RWP"
>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 1:36 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It will work for any software or hardware that does bank/patch
>>>> changes. Be sure to put it before the softsynth in the plugin order.
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 14, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Chris Belle via RWP
>>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey, I tried that plug and it didn't work for me, but I wonder if
>>>>> maybe it was because I was using a soft synth?
>>>>>
>>>>> Does this plug-in only work for hardware modules?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/14/2015 10:49 AM, Gianluca Apollaro via RWP wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> After you set you're hardware as a midi output, you need to use
>>>>>> ReaControlMidi, that is a reaper plugin. Add it to your track and
>>>>>> you should be able to change the patches if you're hardware
>>>>>> responds to program change messages
>>>>>> Hth,
>>>>>> Gianluca from Italy
>>>>>> SkypeID: gianluca8815
>>>>>> Il 14/04/2015 14:51, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP ha scritto:
>>>>>>> No, this does support audio.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me be as specific as possible.  I wasn't going to be as the
>>>>>>> last time I was, I got my F**king ass bitten off publicly on
>>>>>>> list, by a few people, and therefore I've purposely made it a
>>>>>>> point to not write, in their words, a novel.  But in this case,
>>>>>>> it's looking like I need to do more explaining, as you all don't
>>>>>>> seem to get the type hardware I'm using.  Maybe you do, and I`!
>>>>>>> just don't get what you all are saying.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Firstly, no need to educate me on midi most likely, unless you
>>>>>>> still! see me going wrong with my logic, (no pun intended, LOL!)
>>>>>>> but anyway, here's the two scenareos.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Firstly, I have a Roland RP401R Rosewood digital piano which has
>>>>>>> built in speakers.  It also has a line out on the back of it,
>>>>>>> which I'm running into one of the stereo channels of my
>>>>>>> interface.  I totally get that the sound I get from the unit will
>>>>>>> have to be sent through the line out, down the chain to my
>>>>>>> interface's channel line in, which then will be fed into Reaper.
>>>>>>> I totally totally get that.  I further also totally get that midi
>>>>>>> isn't audio. You can't know the amount of times I've had to tell
>>>>>>> people this!  It's gets so freaking old! Anyway, this digital
>>>>>>> piano in my personal opinion is more of a very low end/very very
>>>>>>> and did I mention, very! souped up digital piano. I say that
>>>>>>> because it's not got all the features by any means you'd find on
>>>>>>> a pro grade keyboard. The emphesis definitely is more on the
>>>>>>> piano functionality, however, it does have a bank of samples
>>>>>>> built on board probably about 300 of them in addition to the 11
>>>>>>> different featured piano samples it offers.  So, you have all the
>>>>>>> norms like drums, strings, organs, brass, woodwinds, guitars,
>>>>>>> bases, etc. The samples are actually incredible!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, so I connect the piano to my system via USB which
>>>>>>> asyncronisly does midi in, and midi out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, what I'm trying to do is, if I go into Reaper, and I hit
>>>>>>> ctrl+T to create a new track, name it, then hit enter to save the
>>>>>>> track name and insert the track into the project, Then, I'm
>>>>>>> trying firstly to figure out then how to set the input and output
>>>>>>> to my Roland midi device.  I presume it's the same as setting the
>>>>>>> input and output on a midi track which I import from a midi .mid
>>>>>>> file. More about that though in a second.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, now, let's just say I figure it out, and I get the in and out
>>>>>>> on that track set to midi for my Roland piano/keyboard. I've also
>>>>>>> set local to off on my piano menus so that the only sound I hear
>>>>>>> when hitting notes is that produced by the midi data when that
>>>>>>> track is armed. So now, what I want to know is, firstly, I'm
>>>>>>> hitting keys and hearing a grand piano.  I want to now instead
>>>>>>> however hear say a saxophone.  So, what I'm firstly asking is,
>>>>>>> before even hitting R to record anything on that track, how do I
>>>>>>> set the patch to a sax instead of a piano as it now is?  I get
>>>>>>> that shift+P would work to let me adjust parameters on the last
>>>>>>> touched track on all its effects in the chain, but that's just
>>>>>>> it. There are no effects yet on the track. There are no soft
>>>>>>> synths either as I'm doing this stricly via hardware.  The sounds
>>>>>>> won't be coming from a software virtual instrument. They'll be
>>>>>>> coming from the sounds built into my Roland piano, then sent out
>>>>>>> the Roland piano's line out, back into my interface, then
>>>>>>> captured in Reaper onto an audio track during the final mix.
>>>>>>> Does that make a little bit more sense?  This Roland isn't just a
>>>>>>> controller.  It's a full fledged digital piano workstation. It
>>>>>>> has built in speakers, and built in sounds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, as for the two senarios, that was the first.  Here's the second.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let's say that I have a midi .mid file and I go into Reaper, no
>>>>>>> tracks in the project, go to the insert menu and then to media
>>>>>>> file.  I then browse for, and open the .mid midi file which
>>>>>>> already has been pre-recorded, probably not even from within
>>>>>>> Reaper initially.  We're talking just a midi file maybe I find
>>>>>>> online for example. I say to import the tempo map etc, tell it to
>>>>>>> import all tracks seperetly, etc. So now, I have a project, say
>>>>>>> with 13 or so tracks.  Piano, base, drums, toms, tiko drums,
>>>>>>> strings, flute, etc.  I down arrow through each track, tab into
>>>>>>> the strip, and set the outputs from none over to my Roland.  I do
>>>>>>> this on all tracks, then, I hit w, or home, either or to move to
>>>>>>> the start of the project, and then hit space bar to play.  I
>>>>>>> definitely do hear the midi file now routed through the sounds in
>>>>>>> my Roland, and all sounds beautifully gorgeous. Then, however, I
>>>>>>> get to thinking. You know that flute track?  Hmm!  I think
>>>>>>> actually a claranette would a sounded better, or hmm, maybe even
>>>>>>> a trumpet, instead, even better yet. So, I down arrow to the
>>>>>>> flute track.  I hit F2 to rename it to say... trumpoet. OK, now,
>>>>>>> I tab through the items on it's strip like input output, volume,
>>>>>>> pan, etc. Nowhere though do I see anywhere to select a patch.  I
>>>>>>> can't hit shift+P as there are no effects in the chain on that
>>>>>>> track, as it's all being done via hardware.  Therefore, I can't
>>>>>>> exactly menipulate the patch that way, and change it from flute
>>>>>>> to trumpet. So then, how do I?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does this make more sense?  Again, I didn't wanna do this. I
>>>>>>> didn't wanna write a novel this long, but it's looking like I'm
>>>>>>> being misunderstood left and right with what exactly I'm trying
>>>>>>> to do.  So, I hope this clears things up, and for those who would
>>>>>>> bitch at me for writing such a long message, get over it! How
>>>>>>> else would I have explained, you think I wanted? to write
>>>>>>> something this long?  Uh, no?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, thanks for the help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBIN Alexis via RWP"
>>>>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 8:15 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, so you have to record in audio. Your midi keyboard only send
>>>>>>> midi
>>>>>>> instruction, not the sound bank.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le 14/04/2015 14:08, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP a écrit :
>>>>>>>> OK, but I'm not wanting to do this with a software synth.
>>>>>>>> You're not following.  I have a keyboard connected to my
>>>>>>>> interface.  I want to play the track and have it play through my
>>>>>>>> keyboard's midi in. So in other words, the keyboard is going to
>>>>>>>> be producing the sounds with its built in patches. I just need
>>>>>>>> to know once I up and down arrow to the track how then to change
>>>>>>>> the instrument both before, and after the track has been
>>>>>>>> recorded. Say I recorded a track with a flute, but then I
>>>>>>>> decided, you know, this would a sounded better had I used an
>>>>>>>> oboe instead.  I don't wanna have to go back and redo the entire
>>>>>>>> track over. I  just want to change it's patch on the fly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again, I'm not doing this with a software synth.  This is going
>>>>>>>> to be done through the sounds on my keyboard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle via RWP"
>>>>>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 7:32 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also how you do a patch will differ depending on the synth you
>>>>>>>>> pick.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/14/2015 2:13 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> So, I've created a track, and set its output to my Roland midi
>>>>>>>>>> controler. Now, how in the world do I select what patch I want
>>>>>>>>>> to use on that track? Say for example I want to record a sax
>>>>>>>>>> instead of a piano? I tabbed through the track strip, but I
>>>>>>>>>> don't see any options to let me select a particular patch
>>>>>>>>>> preset.  Same goes if I go to my insert menu in the menu bar,
>>>>>>>>>> then to media, and simply import an already recorded midi
>>>>>>>>>> file, then want to change the preset on one of the tracks to a
>>>>>>>>>> different instrument.
>>>>>>>>>> So, how's this done?
>>>>>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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