[Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?

Wed Apr 15 05:13:46 EDT 2015

Something else,
when I did control e to get the midi editor,
on a bass track for instance, I saw stuff that looked like it was from 
other tracks.

The bass is on midi channel 2 but I saw stuff from channel 6.

I vaguely remember something about having to make a setting so you only 
saw specific events, but can't find that email now.
At that time, I wasn't going to pursue midi with  reaper, but now I'm 
tryin to give it a fair chance before writing it off as too much fuss 
and bother to do something which is so very easy in sonar.
'grin'.

On 4/15/2015 2:03 AM, Patrick Perdue via RWP wrote:
> Are you working with a midi file that already has bank/patch 
> information? If so, then they will reset. I think you'll have to 
> change that in the event editor.
>
> On 4/15/2015 1:51 AM, Chris Belle via RWP wrote:
>> To further exasterbate the issue, when I try and set a program change or
>> bank msb, lsb on the feeding midi track with the midi control thingy,
>> it doesn't stick.
>>
>> I've eliminated all but one track to make sure nothing is conflicting,
>> just a single midi track and the soft synth.
>>
>> So, no go on the cakewalk tts.
>> for the moment.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/15/2015 12:39 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>> Well, now I'm scratching my head.
>>>
>>> I imported an instance of the tts from cakewalk and one of my midi
>>> files, and did the easy thing, told reaper to make receives to all the
>>> channels from the I/O dialogue.
>>> on teh tts soft synth.
>>>
>>> Then inserted the midi control on my bass track, which should be up
>>> stream from the synth you'd think.
>>>
>>> No matter what i did, I could not get the program  to change
>>>
>>> I should try this with some actual hardware, since I know soft synths
>>> can be pecular in how they handle midi commands, and tts is a cakewalk
>>> thing, but you'd think being a standard gm level 2 synth, it'd act 
>>> right.
>>>
>>> Oh well, we'll keep pecking away at it here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/14/2015 11:55 PM, Chris Belle via RWP wrote:
>>>> Well, to take an ancient example, why did frontier folk always drink
>>>> up stream from the cattle herd when they were watering?
>>>>
>>>> Think about it for a minute 'grin'.
>>>>
>>>> Because in a signal path, as well as in nature, things flow from
>>>> point a to point b.
>>>>
>>>> So if you're transmitting program changes, and your synth is up
>>>> stream from it, it will never see it.
>>>>
>>>> You want your synth to be down stream from the midi control plug so
>>>> it can see the information that comes to it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/14/2015 11:07 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP wrote:
>>>>> Ooo, that's a good thing to know. Why would you want it in the
>>>>> chain before the soft synth though? I've never totally understood
>>>>> that... sorry.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Perdue via RWP"
>>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 1:36 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It will work for any software or hardware that does bank/patch
>>>>> changes. Be sure to put it before the softsynth in the plugin order.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 14, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Chris Belle via RWP
>>>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey, I tried that plug and it didn't work for me, but I wonder if
>>>>>> maybe it was because I was using a soft synth?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does this plug-in only work for hardware modules?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/14/2015 10:49 AM, Gianluca Apollaro via RWP wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> After you set you're hardware as a midi output, you need to use
>>>>>>> ReaControlMidi, that is a reaper plugin. Add it to your track and
>>>>>>> you should be able to change the patches if you're hardware
>>>>>>> responds to program change messages
>>>>>>> Hth,
>>>>>>> Gianluca from Italy
>>>>>>> SkypeID: gianluca8815
>>>>>>> Il 14/04/2015 14:51, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP ha scritto:
>>>>>>>> No, this does support audio.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let me be as specific as possible.  I wasn't going to be as the
>>>>>>>> last time I was, I got my F**king ass bitten off publicly on
>>>>>>>> list, by a few people, and therefore I've purposely made it a
>>>>>>>> point to not write, in their words, a novel.  But in this case,
>>>>>>>> it's looking like I need to do more explaining, as you all don't
>>>>>>>> seem to get the type hardware I'm using.  Maybe you do, and I`!
>>>>>>>> just don't get what you all are saying.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Firstly, no need to educate me on midi most likely, unless you
>>>>>>>> still! see me going wrong with my logic, (no pun intended, LOL!)
>>>>>>>> but anyway, here's the two scenareos.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Firstly, I have a Roland RP401R Rosewood digital piano which has
>>>>>>>> built in speakers.  It also has a line out on the back of it,
>>>>>>>> which I'm running into one of the stereo channels of my
>>>>>>>> interface.  I totally get that the sound I get from the unit will
>>>>>>>> have to be sent through the line out, down the chain to my
>>>>>>>> interface's channel line in, which then will be fed into Reaper.
>>>>>>>> I totally totally get that.  I further also totally get that midi
>>>>>>>> isn't audio. You can't know the amount of times I've had to tell
>>>>>>>> people this!  It's gets so freaking old! Anyway, this digital
>>>>>>>> piano in my personal opinion is more of a very low end/very very
>>>>>>>> and did I mention, very! souped up digital piano. I say that
>>>>>>>> because it's not got all the features by any means you'd find on
>>>>>>>> a pro grade keyboard. The emphesis definitely is more on the
>>>>>>>> piano functionality, however, it does have a bank of samples
>>>>>>>> built on board probably about 300 of them in addition to the 11
>>>>>>>> different featured piano samples it offers.  So, you have all the
>>>>>>>> norms like drums, strings, organs, brass, woodwinds, guitars,
>>>>>>>> bases, etc. The samples are actually incredible!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway, so I connect the piano to my system via USB which
>>>>>>>> asyncronisly does midi in, and midi out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, what I'm trying to do is, if I go into Reaper, and I hit
>>>>>>>> ctrl+T to create a new track, name it, then hit enter to save the
>>>>>>>> track name and insert the track into the project, Then, I'm
>>>>>>>> trying firstly to figure out then how to set the input and output
>>>>>>>> to my Roland midi device.  I presume it's the same as setting the
>>>>>>>> input and output on a midi track which I import from a midi .mid
>>>>>>>> file. More about that though in a second.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, now, let's just say I figure it out, and I get the in and out
>>>>>>>> on that track set to midi for my Roland piano/keyboard. I've also
>>>>>>>> set local to off on my piano menus so that the only sound I hear
>>>>>>>> when hitting notes is that produced by the midi data when that
>>>>>>>> track is armed. So now, what I want to know is, firstly, I'm
>>>>>>>> hitting keys and hearing a grand piano.  I want to now instead
>>>>>>>> however hear say a saxophone.  So, what I'm firstly asking is,
>>>>>>>> before even hitting R to record anything on that track, how do I
>>>>>>>> set the patch to a sax instead of a piano as it now is?  I get
>>>>>>>> that shift+P would work to let me adjust parameters on the last
>>>>>>>> touched track on all its effects in the chain, but that's just
>>>>>>>> it. There are no effects yet on the track. There are no soft
>>>>>>>> synths either as I'm doing this stricly via hardware.  The sounds
>>>>>>>> won't be coming from a software virtual instrument. They'll be
>>>>>>>> coming from the sounds built into my Roland piano, then sent out
>>>>>>>> the Roland piano's line out, back into my interface, then
>>>>>>>> captured in Reaper onto an audio track during the final mix. Does
>>>>>>>> that make a little bit more sense?  This Roland isn't just a
>>>>>>>> controller.  It's a full fledged digital piano workstation. It
>>>>>>>> has built in speakers, and built in sounds.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK, as for the two senarios, that was the first. Here's the 
>>>>>>>> second.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let's say that I have a midi .mid file and I go into Reaper, no
>>>>>>>> tracks in the project, go to the insert menu and then to media
>>>>>>>> file.  I then browse for, and open the .mid midi file which
>>>>>>>> already has been pre-recorded, probably not even from within
>>>>>>>> Reaper initially.  We're talking just a midi file maybe I find
>>>>>>>> online for example. I say to import the tempo map etc, tell it to
>>>>>>>> import all tracks seperetly, etc. So now, I have a project, say
>>>>>>>> with 13 or so tracks.  Piano, base, drums, toms, tiko drums,
>>>>>>>> strings, flute, etc.  I down arrow through each track, tab into
>>>>>>>> the strip, and set the outputs from none over to my Roland.  I do
>>>>>>>> this on all tracks, then, I hit w, or home, either or to move to
>>>>>>>> the start of the project, and then hit space bar to play.  I
>>>>>>>> definitely do hear the midi file now routed through the sounds in
>>>>>>>> my Roland, and all sounds beautifully gorgeous. Then, however, I
>>>>>>>> get to thinking. You know that flute track?  Hmm!  I think
>>>>>>>> actually a claranette would a sounded better, or hmm, maybe even
>>>>>>>> a trumpet, instead, even better yet. So, I down arrow to the
>>>>>>>> flute track.  I hit F2 to rename it to say... trumpoet. OK, now,
>>>>>>>> I tab through the items on it's strip like input output, volume,
>>>>>>>> pan, etc. Nowhere though do I see anywhere to select a patch.  I
>>>>>>>> can't hit shift+P as there are no effects in the chain on that
>>>>>>>> track, as it's all being done via hardware. Therefore, I can't
>>>>>>>> exactly menipulate the patch that way, and change it from flute
>>>>>>>> to trumpet. So then, how do I?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does this make more sense?  Again, I didn't wanna do this. I
>>>>>>>> didn't wanna write a novel this long, but it's looking like I'm
>>>>>>>> being misunderstood left and right with what exactly I'm trying
>>>>>>>> to do.  So, I hope this clears things up, and for those who would
>>>>>>>> bitch at me for writing such a long message, get over it! How
>>>>>>>> else would I have explained, you think I wanted? to write
>>>>>>>> something this long?  Uh, no?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway, thanks for the help.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBIN Alexis via RWP"
>>>>>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 8:15 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh, so you have to record in audio. Your midi keyboard only send
>>>>>>>> midi
>>>>>>>> instruction, not the sound bank.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Le 14/04/2015 14:08, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP a écrit :
>>>>>>>>> OK, but I'm not wanting to do this with a software synth. You're
>>>>>>>>> not following.  I have a keyboard connected to my interface.  I
>>>>>>>>> want to play the track and have it play through my keyboard's
>>>>>>>>> midi in. So in other words, the keyboard is going to be
>>>>>>>>> producing the sounds with its built in patches. I just need to
>>>>>>>>> know once I up and down arrow to the track how then to change
>>>>>>>>> the instrument both before, and after the track has been
>>>>>>>>> recorded. Say I recorded a track with a flute, but then I
>>>>>>>>> decided, you know, this would a sounded better had I used an
>>>>>>>>> oboe instead.  I don't wanna have to go back and redo the entire
>>>>>>>>> track over. I  just want to change it's patch on the fly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Again, I'm not doing this with a software synth. This is going
>>>>>>>>> to be done through the sounds on my keyboard.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle via RWP"
>>>>>>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 7:32 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also how you do a patch will differ depending on the synth you
>>>>>>>>>> pick.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/14/2015 2:13 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> So, I've created a track, and set its output to my Roland midi
>>>>>>>>>>> controler. Now, how in the world do I select what patch I want
>>>>>>>>>>> to use on that track? Say for example I want to record a sax
>>>>>>>>>>> instead of a piano? I tabbed through the track strip, but I
>>>>>>>>>>> don't see any options to let me select a particular patch
>>>>>>>>>>> preset.  Same goes if I go to my insert menu in the menu bar,
>>>>>>>>>>> then to media, and simply import an already recorded midi
>>>>>>>>>>> file, then want to change the preset on one of the tracks to a
>>>>>>>>>>> different instrument.
>>>>>>>>>>> So, how's this done?
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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