[Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?

Chris Belle cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
Wed Apr 15 01:39:49 EDT 2015 

Well, now I'm scratching my head.

I imported an instance of the tts from cakewalk and one of my midi 
files, and did the easy thing, told reaper to make receives to all the 
channels from the I/O dialogue.
on teh tts soft synth.

Then inserted the midi control on my bass track, which should be up 
stream from the synth you'd think.

No matter what i did, I could not get the program  to change

I should try this with some actual hardware, since I know soft synths 
can be pecular in how they handle midi commands, and tts is a cakewalk 
thing, but you'd think being a standard gm level 2 synth, it'd act right.

Oh well, we'll keep pecking away at it here.




On 4/14/2015 11:55 PM, Chris Belle via RWP wrote:
> Well, to take an ancient example, why did frontier folk always drink 
> up stream from the cattle herd when they were watering?
>
> Think about it for a minute 'grin'.
>
> Because in a signal path, as well as in nature, things flow from point 
> a to point b.
>
> So if you're transmitting program changes, and your synth is up stream 
> from it, it will never see it.
>
> You want your synth to be down stream from the midi control plug so it 
> can see the information that comes to it.
>
>
>
> On 4/14/2015 11:07 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP wrote:
>> Ooo, that's a good thing to know.  Why would you want it in the chain 
>> before the soft synth though? I've never totally understood that... 
>> sorry.
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Perdue via RWP" 
>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 1:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
>>
>>
>> It will work for any software or hardware that does bank/patch 
>> changes. Be sure to put it before the softsynth in the plugin order.
>>
>>> On Apr 14, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Chris Belle via RWP 
>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey, I tried that plug and it didn't work for me, but I wonder if 
>>> maybe it was because I was using a soft synth?
>>>
>>> Does this plug-in only work for hardware modules?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/14/2015 10:49 AM, Gianluca Apollaro via RWP wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> After you set you're hardware as a midi output, you need to use 
>>>> ReaControlMidi, that is a reaper plugin. Add it to your track and 
>>>> you should be able to change the patches if you're hardware 
>>>> responds to program change messages
>>>> Hth,
>>>> Gianluca from Italy
>>>> SkypeID: gianluca8815
>>>> Il 14/04/2015 14:51, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP ha scritto:
>>>>> No, this does support audio.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me be as specific as possible.  I wasn't going to be as the 
>>>>> last time I was, I got my F**king ass bitten off publicly on list, 
>>>>> by a few people, and therefore I've purposely made it a point to 
>>>>> not write, in their words, a novel.  But in this case, it's 
>>>>> looking like I need to do more explaining, as you all don't seem 
>>>>> to get the type hardware I'm using.  Maybe you do, and I`! just 
>>>>> don't get what you all are saying.
>>>>>
>>>>> Firstly, no need to educate me on midi most likely, unless you 
>>>>> still! see me going wrong with my logic, (no pun intended, LOL!) 
>>>>> but anyway, here's the two scenareos.
>>>>>
>>>>> Firstly, I have a Roland RP401R Rosewood digital piano which has 
>>>>> built in speakers.  It also has a line out on the back of it, 
>>>>> which I'm running into one of the stereo channels of my 
>>>>> interface.  I totally get that the sound I get from the unit will 
>>>>> have to be sent through the line out, down the chain to my 
>>>>> interface's channel line in, which then will be fed into Reaper. I 
>>>>> totally totally get that.  I further also totally get that midi 
>>>>> isn't audio. You can't know the amount of times I've had to tell 
>>>>> people this!  It's gets so freaking old!  Anyway, this digital 
>>>>> piano in my personal opinion is more of a very low end/very very 
>>>>> and did I mention, very! souped up digital piano. I say that 
>>>>> because it's not got all the features by any means you'd find on a 
>>>>> pro grade keyboard. The emphesis definitely is more on the piano 
>>>>> functionality, however, it does have a bank of samples built on 
>>>>> board probably about 300 of them in addition to the 11 different 
>>>>> featured piano samples it offers.  So, you have all the norms like 
>>>>> drums, strings, organs, brass, woodwinds, guitars, bases, etc. The 
>>>>> samples are actually incredible!
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, so I connect the piano to my system via USB which 
>>>>> asyncronisly does midi in, and midi out.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, what I'm trying to do is, if I go into Reaper, and I hit 
>>>>> ctrl+T to create a new track, name it, then hit enter to save the 
>>>>> track name and insert the track into the project, Then, I'm trying 
>>>>> firstly to figure out then how to set the input and output to my 
>>>>> Roland midi device.  I presume it's the same as setting the input 
>>>>> and output on a midi track which I import from a midi .mid file. 
>>>>> More about that though in a second.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, now, let's just say I figure it out, and I get the in and out 
>>>>> on that track set to midi for my Roland piano/keyboard. I've also 
>>>>> set local to off on my piano menus so that the only sound I hear 
>>>>> when hitting notes is that produced by the midi data when that 
>>>>> track is armed. So now, what I want to know is, firstly, I'm 
>>>>> hitting keys and hearing a grand piano.  I want to now instead 
>>>>> however hear say a saxophone.  So, what I'm firstly asking is, 
>>>>> before even hitting R to record anything on that track, how do I 
>>>>> set the patch to a sax instead of a piano as it now is?  I get 
>>>>> that shift+P would work to let me adjust parameters on the last 
>>>>> touched track on all its effects in the chain, but that's just it. 
>>>>> There are no effects yet on the track. There are no soft synths 
>>>>> either as I'm doing this stricly via hardware.  The sounds won't 
>>>>> be coming from a software virtual instrument. They'll be coming 
>>>>> from the sounds built into my Roland piano, then sent out the 
>>>>> Roland piano's line out, back into my interface, then captured in 
>>>>> Reaper onto an audio track during the final mix.  Does that make a 
>>>>> little bit more sense?  This Roland isn't just a controller.  It's 
>>>>> a full fledged digital piano workstation. It has built in 
>>>>> speakers, and built in sounds.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, as for the two senarios, that was the first.  Here's the second.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's say that I have a midi .mid file and I go into Reaper, no 
>>>>> tracks in the project, go to the insert menu and then to media 
>>>>> file.  I then browse for, and open the .mid midi file which 
>>>>> already has been pre-recorded, probably not even from within 
>>>>> Reaper initially.  We're talking just a midi file maybe I find 
>>>>> online for example. I say to import the tempo map etc, tell it to 
>>>>> import all tracks seperetly, etc. So now, I have a project, say 
>>>>> with 13 or so tracks.  Piano, base, drums, toms, tiko drums, 
>>>>> strings, flute, etc.  I down arrow through each track, tab into 
>>>>> the strip, and set the outputs from none over to my Roland.  I do 
>>>>> this on all tracks, then, I hit w, or home, either or to move to 
>>>>> the start of the project, and then hit space bar to play.  I 
>>>>> definitely do hear the midi file now routed through the sounds in 
>>>>> my Roland, and all sounds beautifully gorgeous. Then, however, I 
>>>>> get to thinking. You know that flute track?  Hmm!  I think 
>>>>> actually a claranette would a sounded better, or hmm, maybe even a 
>>>>> trumpet, instead, even better yet. So, I down arrow to the flute 
>>>>> track.  I hit F2 to rename it to say... trumpoet. OK, now, I tab 
>>>>> through the items on it's strip like input output, volume, pan, 
>>>>> etc. Nowhere though do I see anywhere to select a patch.  I can't 
>>>>> hit shift+P as there are no effects in the chain on that track, as 
>>>>> it's all being done via hardware.  Therefore, I can't exactly 
>>>>> menipulate the patch that way, and change it from flute to 
>>>>> trumpet. So then, how do I?
>>>>>
>>>>> Does this make more sense?  Again, I didn't wanna do this. I 
>>>>> didn't wanna write a novel this long, but it's looking like I'm 
>>>>> being misunderstood left and right with what exactly I'm trying to 
>>>>> do.  So, I hope this clears things up, and for those who would 
>>>>> bitch at me for writing such a long message, get over it! How else 
>>>>> would I have explained, you think I wanted? to write something 
>>>>> this long?  Uh, no?
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, thanks for the help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBIN Alexis via RWP" 
>>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 8:15 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, so you have to record in audio. Your midi keyboard only send midi
>>>>> instruction, not the sound bank.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 14/04/2015 14:08, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP a écrit :
>>>>>> OK, but I'm not wanting to do this with a software synth.  You're 
>>>>>> not following.  I have a keyboard connected to my interface.  I 
>>>>>> want to play the track and have it play through my keyboard's 
>>>>>> midi in. So in other words, the keyboard is going to be producing 
>>>>>> the sounds with its built in patches. I just need to know once I 
>>>>>> up and down arrow to the track how then to change the instrument 
>>>>>> both before, and after the track has been recorded. Say I 
>>>>>> recorded a track with a flute, but then I decided, you know, this 
>>>>>> would a sounded better had I used an oboe instead.  I don't wanna 
>>>>>> have to go back and redo the entire track over. I  just want to 
>>>>>> change it's patch on the fly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, I'm not doing this with a software synth.  This is going 
>>>>>> to be done through the sounds on my keyboard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle via RWP" 
>>>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 7:32 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also how you do a patch will differ depending on the synth you 
>>>>>>> pick.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/14/2015 2:13 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP wrote:
>>>>>>>> So, I've created a track, and set its output to my Roland midi 
>>>>>>>> controler. Now, how in the world do I select what patch I want 
>>>>>>>> to use on that track? Say for example I want to record a sax 
>>>>>>>> instead of a piano? I tabbed through the track strip, but I 
>>>>>>>> don't see any options to let me select a particular patch 
>>>>>>>> preset.  Same goes if I go to my insert menu in the menu bar, 
>>>>>>>> then to media, and simply import an already recorded midi file, 
>>>>>>>> then want to change the preset on one of the tracks to a 
>>>>>>>> different instrument.
>>>>>>>> So, how's this done?
>>>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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