[Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
Chris Belle
cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
Wed Apr 15 00:55:57 EDT 2015
Well, to take an ancient example, why did frontier folk always drink up
stream from the cattle herd when they were watering?
Think about it for a minute 'grin'.
Because in a signal path, as well as in nature, things flow from point a
to point b.
So if you're transmitting program changes, and your synth is up stream
from it, it will never see it.
You want your synth to be down stream from the midi control plug so it
can see the information that comes to it.
On 4/14/2015 11:07 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP wrote:
> Ooo, that's a good thing to know. Why would you want it in the chain
> before the soft synth though? I've never totally understood that...
> sorry.
>
> Chris.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Perdue via RWP"
> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 1:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
>
>
> It will work for any software or hardware that does bank/patch
> changes. Be sure to put it before the softsynth in the plugin order.
>
>> On Apr 14, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Chris Belle via RWP
>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hey, I tried that plug and it didn't work for me, but I wonder if
>> maybe it was because I was using a soft synth?
>>
>> Does this plug-in only work for hardware modules?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/14/2015 10:49 AM, Gianluca Apollaro via RWP wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> After you set you're hardware as a midi output, you need to use
>>> ReaControlMidi, that is a reaper plugin. Add it to your track and
>>> you should be able to change the patches if you're hardware responds
>>> to program change messages
>>> Hth,
>>> Gianluca from Italy
>>> SkypeID: gianluca8815
>>> Il 14/04/2015 14:51, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP ha scritto:
>>>> No, this does support audio.
>>>>
>>>> OK.
>>>>
>>>> Let me be as specific as possible. I wasn't going to be as the
>>>> last time I was, I got my F**king ass bitten off publicly on list,
>>>> by a few people, and therefore I've purposely made it a point to
>>>> not write, in their words, a novel. But in this case, it's looking
>>>> like I need to do more explaining, as you all don't seem to get the
>>>> type hardware I'm using. Maybe you do, and I`! just don't get what
>>>> you all are saying.
>>>>
>>>> Firstly, no need to educate me on midi most likely, unless you
>>>> still! see me going wrong with my logic, (no pun intended, LOL!)
>>>> but anyway, here's the two scenareos.
>>>>
>>>> Firstly, I have a Roland RP401R Rosewood digital piano which has
>>>> built in speakers. It also has a line out on the back of it, which
>>>> I'm running into one of the stereo channels of my interface. I
>>>> totally get that the sound I get from the unit will have to be sent
>>>> through the line out, down the chain to my interface's channel line
>>>> in, which then will be fed into Reaper. I totally totally get
>>>> that. I further also totally get that midi isn't audio. You can't
>>>> know the amount of times I've had to tell people this! It's gets
>>>> so freaking old! Anyway, this digital piano in my personal opinion
>>>> is more of a very low end/very very and did I mention, very! souped
>>>> up digital piano. I say that because it's not got all the features
>>>> by any means you'd find on a pro grade keyboard. The emphesis
>>>> definitely is more on the piano functionality, however, it does
>>>> have a bank of samples built on board probably about 300 of them in
>>>> addition to the 11 different featured piano samples it offers. So,
>>>> you have all the norms like drums, strings, organs, brass,
>>>> woodwinds, guitars, bases, etc. The samples are actually incredible!
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, so I connect the piano to my system via USB which
>>>> asyncronisly does midi in, and midi out.
>>>>
>>>> So, what I'm trying to do is, if I go into Reaper, and I hit ctrl+T
>>>> to create a new track, name it, then hit enter to save the track
>>>> name and insert the track into the project, Then, I'm trying
>>>> firstly to figure out then how to set the input and output to my
>>>> Roland midi device. I presume it's the same as setting the input
>>>> and output on a midi track which I import from a midi .mid file.
>>>> More about that though in a second.
>>>>
>>>> So, now, let's just say I figure it out, and I get the in and out
>>>> on that track set to midi for my Roland piano/keyboard. I've also
>>>> set local to off on my piano menus so that the only sound I hear
>>>> when hitting notes is that produced by the midi data when that
>>>> track is armed. So now, what I want to know is, firstly, I'm
>>>> hitting keys and hearing a grand piano. I want to now instead
>>>> however hear say a saxophone. So, what I'm firstly asking is,
>>>> before even hitting R to record anything on that track, how do I
>>>> set the patch to a sax instead of a piano as it now is? I get that
>>>> shift+P would work to let me adjust parameters on the last touched
>>>> track on all its effects in the chain, but that's just it. There
>>>> are no effects yet on the track. There are no soft synths either as
>>>> I'm doing this stricly via hardware. The sounds won't be coming
>>>> from a software virtual instrument. They'll be coming from the
>>>> sounds built into my Roland piano, then sent out the Roland piano's
>>>> line out, back into my interface, then captured in Reaper onto an
>>>> audio track during the final mix. Does that make a little bit more
>>>> sense? This Roland isn't just a controller. It's a full fledged
>>>> digital piano workstation. It has built in speakers, and built in
>>>> sounds.
>>>>
>>>> OK, as for the two senarios, that was the first. Here's the second.
>>>>
>>>> Let's say that I have a midi .mid file and I go into Reaper, no
>>>> tracks in the project, go to the insert menu and then to media
>>>> file. I then browse for, and open the .mid midi file which already
>>>> has been pre-recorded, probably not even from within Reaper
>>>> initially. We're talking just a midi file maybe I find online for
>>>> example. I say to import the tempo map etc, tell it to import all
>>>> tracks seperetly, etc. So now, I have a project, say with 13 or so
>>>> tracks. Piano, base, drums, toms, tiko drums, strings, flute,
>>>> etc. I down arrow through each track, tab into the strip, and set
>>>> the outputs from none over to my Roland. I do this on all tracks,
>>>> then, I hit w, or home, either or to move to the start of the
>>>> project, and then hit space bar to play. I definitely do hear the
>>>> midi file now routed through the sounds in my Roland, and all
>>>> sounds beautifully gorgeous. Then, however, I get to thinking. You
>>>> know that flute track? Hmm! I think actually a claranette would a
>>>> sounded better, or hmm, maybe even a trumpet, instead, even better
>>>> yet. So, I down arrow to the flute track. I hit F2 to rename it to
>>>> say... trumpoet. OK, now, I tab through the items on it's strip
>>>> like input output, volume, pan, etc. Nowhere though do I see
>>>> anywhere to select a patch. I can't hit shift+P as there are no
>>>> effects in the chain on that track, as it's all being done via
>>>> hardware. Therefore, I can't exactly menipulate the patch that
>>>> way, and change it from flute to trumpet. So then, how do I?
>>>>
>>>> Does this make more sense? Again, I didn't wanna do this. I didn't
>>>> wanna write a novel this long, but it's looking like I'm being
>>>> misunderstood left and right with what exactly I'm trying to do.
>>>> So, I hope this clears things up, and for those who would bitch at
>>>> me for writing such a long message, get over it! How else would I
>>>> have explained, you think I wanted? to write something this long?
>>>> Uh, no?
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, thanks for the help.
>>>>
>>>> Chris.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBIN Alexis via RWP"
>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 8:15 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh, so you have to record in audio. Your midi keyboard only send midi
>>>> instruction, not the sound bank.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le 14/04/2015 14:08, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP a écrit :
>>>>> OK, but I'm not wanting to do this with a software synth. You're
>>>>> not following. I have a keyboard connected to my interface. I
>>>>> want to play the track and have it play through my keyboard's midi
>>>>> in. So in other words, the keyboard is going to be producing the
>>>>> sounds with its built in patches. I just need to know once I up
>>>>> and down arrow to the track how then to change the instrument both
>>>>> before, and after the track has been recorded. Say I recorded a
>>>>> track with a flute, but then I decided, you know, this would a
>>>>> sounded better had I used an oboe instead. I don't wanna have to
>>>>> go back and redo the entire track over. I just want to change
>>>>> it's patch on the fly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, I'm not doing this with a software synth. This is going to
>>>>> be done through the sounds on my keyboard.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle via RWP"
>>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 7:32 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Also how you do a patch will differ depending on the synth you pick.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/14/2015 2:13 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP wrote:
>>>>>>> So, I've created a track, and set its output to my Roland midi
>>>>>>> controler. Now, how in the world do I select what patch I want
>>>>>>> to use on that track? Say for example I want to record a sax
>>>>>>> instead of a piano? I tabbed through the track strip, but I
>>>>>>> don't see any options to let me select a particular patch
>>>>>>> preset. Same goes if I go to my insert menu in the menu bar,
>>>>>>> then to media, and simply import an already recorded midi file,
>>>>>>> then want to change the preset on one of the tracks to a
>>>>>>> different instrument.
>>>>>>> So, how's this done?
>>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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