[Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
Christopher-Mark Gilland
clgilland07 at gmail.com
Wed Apr 15 00:07:17 EDT 2015
Ooo, that's a good thing to know. Why would you want it in the chain before
the soft synth though? I've never totally understood that... sorry.
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Perdue via RWP" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
It will work for any software or hardware that does bank/patch changes. Be
sure to put it before the softsynth in the plugin order.
> On Apr 14, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Chris Belle via RWP <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hey, I tried that plug and it didn't work for me, but I wonder if maybe it
> was because I was using a soft synth?
>
> Does this plug-in only work for hardware modules?
>
>
>
> On 4/14/2015 10:49 AM, Gianluca Apollaro via RWP wrote:
>> Hi,
>> After you set you're hardware as a midi output, you need to use
>> ReaControlMidi, that is a reaper plugin. Add it to your track and you
>> should be able to change the patches if you're hardware responds to
>> program change messages
>> Hth,
>> Gianluca from Italy
>> SkypeID: gianluca8815
>> Il 14/04/2015 14:51, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP ha scritto:
>>> No, this does support audio.
>>>
>>> OK.
>>>
>>> Let me be as specific as possible. I wasn't going to be as the last
>>> time I was, I got my F**king ass bitten off publicly on list, by a few
>>> people, and therefore I've purposely made it a point to not write, in
>>> their words, a novel. But in this case, it's looking like I need to do
>>> more explaining, as you all don't seem to get the type hardware I'm
>>> using. Maybe you do, and I`! just don't get what you all are saying.
>>>
>>> Firstly, no need to educate me on midi most likely, unless you still!
>>> see me going wrong with my logic, (no pun intended, LOL!) but anyway,
>>> here's the two scenareos.
>>>
>>> Firstly, I have a Roland RP401R Rosewood digital piano which has built
>>> in speakers. It also has a line out on the back of it, which I'm
>>> running into one of the stereo channels of my interface. I totally get
>>> that the sound I get from the unit will have to be sent through the line
>>> out, down the chain to my interface's channel line in, which then will
>>> be fed into Reaper. I totally totally get that. I further also totally
>>> get that midi isn't audio. You can't know the amount of times I've had
>>> to tell people this! It's gets so freaking old! Anyway, this digital
>>> piano in my personal opinion is more of a very low end/very very and did
>>> I mention, very! souped up digital piano. I say that because it's not
>>> got all the features by any means you'd find on a pro grade keyboard.
>>> The emphesis definitely is more on the piano functionality, however, it
>>> does have a bank of samples built on board probably about 300 of them in
>>> addition to the 11 different featured piano samples it offers. So, you
>>> have all the norms like drums, strings, organs, brass, woodwinds,
>>> guitars, bases, etc. The samples are actually incredible!
>>>
>>> Anyway, so I connect the piano to my system via USB which asyncronisly
>>> does midi in, and midi out.
>>>
>>> So, what I'm trying to do is, if I go into Reaper, and I hit ctrl+T to
>>> create a new track, name it, then hit enter to save the track name and
>>> insert the track into the project, Then, I'm trying firstly to figure
>>> out then how to set the input and output to my Roland midi device. I
>>> presume it's the same as setting the input and output on a midi track
>>> which I import from a midi .mid file. More about that though in a
>>> second.
>>>
>>> So, now, let's just say I figure it out, and I get the in and out on
>>> that track set to midi for my Roland piano/keyboard. I've also set local
>>> to off on my piano menus so that the only sound I hear when hitting
>>> notes is that produced by the midi data when that track is armed. So
>>> now, what I want to know is, firstly, I'm hitting keys and hearing a
>>> grand piano. I want to now instead however hear say a saxophone. So,
>>> what I'm firstly asking is, before even hitting R to record anything on
>>> that track, how do I set the patch to a sax instead of a piano as it now
>>> is? I get that shift+P would work to let me adjust parameters on the
>>> last touched track on all its effects in the chain, but that's just it.
>>> There are no effects yet on the track. There are no soft synths either
>>> as I'm doing this stricly via hardware. The sounds won't be coming from
>>> a software virtual instrument. They'll be coming from the sounds built
>>> into my Roland piano, then sent out the Roland piano's line out, back
>>> into my interface, then captured in Reaper onto an audio track during
>>> the final mix. Does that make a little bit more sense? This Roland
>>> isn't just a controller. It's a full fledged digital piano workstation.
>>> It has built in speakers, and built in sounds.
>>>
>>> OK, as for the two senarios, that was the first. Here's the second.
>>>
>>> Let's say that I have a midi .mid file and I go into Reaper, no tracks
>>> in the project, go to the insert menu and then to media file. I then
>>> browse for, and open the .mid midi file which already has been
>>> pre-recorded, probably not even from within Reaper initially. We're
>>> talking just a midi file maybe I find online for example. I say to
>>> import the tempo map etc, tell it to import all tracks seperetly, etc.
>>> So now, I have a project, say with 13 or so tracks. Piano, base, drums,
>>> toms, tiko drums, strings, flute, etc. I down arrow through each track,
>>> tab into the strip, and set the outputs from none over to my Roland. I
>>> do this on all tracks, then, I hit w, or home, either or to move to the
>>> start of the project, and then hit space bar to play. I definitely do
>>> hear the midi file now routed through the sounds in my Roland, and all
>>> sounds beautifully gorgeous. Then, however, I get to thinking. You
>>> know that flute track? Hmm! I think actually a claranette would a
>>> sounded better, or hmm, maybe even a trumpet, instead, even better yet.
>>> So, I down arrow to the flute track. I hit F2 to rename it to say...
>>> trumpoet. OK, now, I tab through the items on it's strip like input
>>> output, volume, pan, etc. Nowhere though do I see anywhere to select a
>>> patch. I can't hit shift+P as there are no effects in the chain on that
>>> track, as it's all being done via hardware. Therefore, I can't exactly
>>> menipulate the patch that way, and change it from flute to trumpet. So
>>> then, how do I?
>>>
>>> Does this make more sense? Again, I didn't wanna do this. I didn't
>>> wanna write a novel this long, but it's looking like I'm being
>>> misunderstood left and right with what exactly I'm trying to do. So, I
>>> hope this clears things up, and for those who would bitch at me for
>>> writing such a long message, get over it! How else would I have
>>> explained, you think I wanted? to write something this long? Uh, no?
>>>
>>> Anyway, thanks for the help.
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBIN Alexis via RWP"
>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 8:15 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, so you have to record in audio. Your midi keyboard only send midi
>>> instruction, not the sound bank.
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 14/04/2015 14:08, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP a écrit :
>>>> OK, but I'm not wanting to do this with a software synth. You're not
>>>> following. I have a keyboard connected to my interface. I want to
>>>> play the track and have it play through my keyboard's midi in. So in
>>>> other words, the keyboard is going to be producing the sounds with its
>>>> built in patches. I just need to know once I up and down arrow to the
>>>> track how then to change the instrument both before, and after the
>>>> track has been recorded. Say I recorded a track with a flute, but then
>>>> I decided, you know, this would a sounded better had I used an oboe
>>>> instead. I don't wanna have to go back and redo the entire track over.
>>>> I just want to change it's patch on the fly.
>>>>
>>>> Again, I'm not doing this with a software synth. This is going to be
>>>> done through the sounds on my keyboard.
>>>>
>>>> Chris.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle via RWP"
>>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 7:32 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Also how you do a patch will differ depending on the synth you pick.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/14/2015 2:13 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP wrote:
>>>>>> So, I've created a track, and set its output to my Roland midi
>>>>>> controler. Now, how in the world do I select what patch I want to use
>>>>>> on that track? Say for example I want to record a sax instead of a
>>>>>> piano? I tabbed through the track strip, but I don't see any options
>>>>>> to let me select a particular patch preset. Same goes if I go to my
>>>>>> insert menu in the menu bar, then to media, and simply import an
>>>>>> already recorded midi file, then want to change the preset on one of
>>>>>> the tracks to a different instrument.
>>>>>> So, how's this done?
>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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