[Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?

Chris Belle cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
Tue Apr 14 13:34:14 EDT 2015 

Hey, I tried that plug and it didn't work for me, but I wonder if maybe 
it was because I was using a soft synth?

Does this plug-in only work for hardware modules?



On 4/14/2015 10:49 AM, Gianluca Apollaro via RWP wrote:
> Hi,
> After you set you're hardware as a midi output, you need to use 
> ReaControlMidi, that is a reaper plugin. Add it to your track and you 
> should be able to change the patches if you're hardware responds to 
> program change messages
> Hth,
> Gianluca from Italy
> SkypeID: gianluca8815
> Il 14/04/2015 14:51, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP ha scritto:
>> No, this does support audio.
>>
>> OK.
>>
>> Let me be as specific as possible.  I wasn't going to be as the last 
>> time I was, I got my F**king ass bitten off publicly on list, by a 
>> few people, and therefore I've purposely made it a point to not 
>> write, in their words, a novel.  But in this case, it's looking like 
>> I need to do more explaining, as you all don't seem to get the type 
>> hardware I'm using.  Maybe you do, and I`! just don't get what you 
>> all are saying.
>>
>> Firstly, no need to educate me on midi most likely, unless you still! 
>> see me going wrong with my logic, (no pun intended, LOL!) but anyway, 
>> here's the two scenareos.
>>
>> Firstly, I have a Roland RP401R Rosewood digital piano which has 
>> built in speakers.  It also has a line out on the back of it, which 
>> I'm running into one of the stereo channels of my interface.  I 
>> totally get that the sound I get from the unit will have to be sent 
>> through the line out, down the chain to my interface's channel line 
>> in, which then will be fed into Reaper. I totally totally get that.  
>> I further also totally get that midi isn't audio. You can't know the 
>> amount of times I've had to tell people this!  It's gets so freaking 
>> old!  Anyway, this digital piano in my personal opinion is more of a 
>> very low end/very very and did I mention, very! souped up digital 
>> piano. I say that because it's not got all the features by any means 
>> you'd find on a pro grade keyboard.  The emphesis definitely is more 
>> on the piano functionality, however, it does have a bank of samples 
>> built on board probably about 300 of them in addition to the 11 
>> different featured piano samples it offers.  So, you have all the 
>> norms like drums, strings, organs, brass, woodwinds, guitars, bases, 
>> etc. The samples are actually incredible!
>>
>> Anyway, so I connect the piano to my system via USB which 
>> asyncronisly does midi in, and midi out.
>>
>> So, what I'm trying to do is, if I go into Reaper, and I hit ctrl+T 
>> to create a new track, name it, then hit enter to save the track name 
>> and insert the track into the project, Then, I'm trying firstly to 
>> figure out then how to set the input and output to my Roland midi 
>> device.  I presume it's the same as setting the input and output on a 
>> midi track which I import from a midi .mid file. More about that 
>> though in a second.
>>
>> So, now, let's just say I figure it out, and I get the in and out on 
>> that track set to midi for my Roland piano/keyboard. I've also set 
>> local to off on my piano menus so that the only sound I hear when 
>> hitting notes is that produced by the midi data when that track is 
>> armed.  So now, what I want to know is, firstly, I'm hitting keys and 
>> hearing a grand piano.  I want to now instead however hear say a 
>> saxophone.  So, what I'm firstly asking is, before even hitting R to 
>> record anything on that track, how do I set the patch to a sax 
>> instead of a piano as it now is?  I get that shift+P would work to 
>> let me adjust parameters on the last touched track on all its effects 
>> in the chain, but that's just it.  There are no effects yet on the 
>> track.  There are no soft synths either as I'm doing this stricly via 
>> hardware.  The sounds won't be coming from a software virtual 
>> instrument. They'll be coming from the sounds built into my Roland 
>> piano, then sent out the Roland piano's line out, back into my 
>> interface, then captured in Reaper onto an audio track during the 
>> final mix.  Does that make a little bit more sense?  This Roland 
>> isn't just a controller.  It's a full fledged digital piano 
>> workstation.  It has built in speakers, and built in sounds.
>>
>> OK, as for the two senarios, that was the first.  Here's the second.
>>
>> Let's say that I have a midi .mid file and I go into Reaper, no 
>> tracks in the project, go to the insert menu and then to media file.  
>> I then browse for, and open the .mid midi file which already has been 
>> pre-recorded, probably not even from within Reaper initially.  We're 
>> talking just a midi file maybe I find online for example.  I say to 
>> import the tempo map etc, tell it to import all tracks seperetly, 
>> etc.  So now, I have a project, say with 13 or so tracks.  Piano, 
>> base, drums, toms, tiko drums, strings, flute, etc.  I down arrow 
>> through each track, tab into the strip, and set the outputs from none 
>> over to my Roland.  I do this on all tracks, then, I hit w, or home, 
>> either or to move to the start of the project, and then hit space bar 
>> to play.  I definitely do hear the midi file now routed through the 
>> sounds in my Roland, and all sounds beautifully gorgeous.  Then, 
>> however, I get to thinking.  You know that flute track?  Hmm!  I 
>> think actually a claranette would a sounded better, or hmm, maybe 
>> even a trumpet, instead, even better yet.  So, I down arrow to the 
>> flute track.  I hit F2 to rename it to say... trumpoet.  OK, now, I 
>> tab through the items on it's strip like input output, volume, pan, 
>> etc.  Nowhere though do I see anywhere to select a patch.  I can't 
>> hit shift+P as there are no effects in the chain on that track, as 
>> it's all being done via hardware.  Therefore, I can't exactly 
>> menipulate the patch that way, and change it from flute to trumpet. 
>> So then, how do I?
>>
>> Does this make more sense?  Again, I didn't wanna do this.  I didn't 
>> wanna write a novel this long, but it's looking like I'm being 
>> misunderstood left and right with what exactly I'm trying to do.  So, 
>> I hope this clears things up, and for those who would bitch at me for 
>> writing such a long message, get over it! How else would I have 
>> explained, you think I wanted? to write something this long?  Uh, no?
>>
>> Anyway, thanks for the help.
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBIN Alexis via RWP" 
>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 8:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
>>
>>
>> Oh, so you have to record in audio. Your midi keyboard only send midi
>> instruction, not the sound bank.
>>
>>
>> Le 14/04/2015 14:08, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP a écrit :
>>> OK, but I'm not wanting to do this with a software synth.  You're 
>>> not following.  I have a keyboard connected to my interface.  I want 
>>> to play the track and have it play through my keyboard's midi in.  
>>> So in other words, the keyboard is going to be producing the sounds 
>>> with its built in patches. I just need to know once I up and down 
>>> arrow to the track how then to change the instrument both before, 
>>> and after the track has been recorded. Say I recorded a track with a 
>>> flute, but then I decided, you know, this would a sounded better had 
>>> I used an oboe instead.  I don't wanna have to go back and redo the 
>>> entire track over.  I  just want to change it's patch on the fly.
>>>
>>> Again, I'm not doing this with a software synth.  This is going to 
>>> be done through the sounds on my keyboard.
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle via RWP" 
>>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 7:32 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Also how you do a patch will differ depending on the synth you pick.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/14/2015 2:13 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP wrote:
>>>>> So, I've created a track, and set its output to my Roland midi 
>>>>> controler. Now, how in the world do I select what patch I want to 
>>>>> use on that track? Say for example I want to record a sax instead 
>>>>> of a piano? I tabbed through the track strip, but I don't see any 
>>>>> options to let me select a particular patch preset.  Same goes if 
>>>>> I go to my insert menu in the menu bar, then to media, and simply 
>>>>> import an already recorded midi file, then want to change the 
>>>>> preset on one of the tracks to a different instrument.
>>>>> So, how's this done?
>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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