[Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
Chris Belle
cb1963 at sbcglobal.net
Tue Apr 14 13:32:48 EDT 2015
Well, you still need to know the midi implementation of your particular
instrument, how it maps it's patches so you can send it the right one.
Sounds like maybe your piano might be general midi, if the sounds in
that pre-fab midi file were
alredy mapped well.
With reaper, I think you pretty much have to create a bank patch event,
there's not that nice bank and patch system like we have in sonar.
I'm told it's gotten better, but reaper's midi implementation in my
oppinion leave something to be desired.
Forget what it's called now, but I tried one of the reaper plugs which
is supposed to send bank and patch, might have been one of the js
things, but it didn't work as expected.
the only time I've been able to change patches is to edit an existing
patch event by going in to the midi editor and doing so there.
As far as selecting midi ports, I believe that involves a bit of mousing
around
I think it's in a context menu, I've slept since I did this last, but I
believe that's what I did.
As far as soft synths, there's an easy way to assign a receive from all
your midi tracks,
when you go in to the track i/o when you've inserted a synth.
That's a nice feature.
As far as writing a novel, well, there's a balance,
and a happy medium 'grin'.
But as far as I know, there's no easy way to change patches and bank on
reaper in a generic way,
everyone I know who's talked about it uses their control surface
keyboards to do it, I hope someone corrects me and tells me I'm wrong.
Coming from a strong midi back ground, I am jus so spoiled by sonar.
I'm getting a leg up on reaper, but mostly in the audio editing area,
I think that's it's strong suite.
On 4/14/2015 7:51 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP wrote:
> No, this does support audio.
>
> OK.
>
> Let me be as specific as possible. I wasn't going to be as the last
> time I was, I got my F**king ass bitten off publicly on list, by a few
> people, and therefore I've purposely made it a point to not write, in
> their words, a novel. But in this case, it's looking like I need to
> do more explaining, as you all don't seem to get the type hardware I'm
> using. Maybe you do, and I`! just don't get what you all are saying.
>
> Firstly, no need to educate me on midi most likely, unless you still!
> see me going wrong with my logic, (no pun intended, LOL!) but anyway,
> here's the two scenareos.
>
> Firstly, I have a Roland RP401R Rosewood digital piano which has built
> in speakers. It also has a line out on the back of it, which I'm
> running into one of the stereo channels of my interface. I totally
> get that the sound I get from the unit will have to be sent through
> the line out, down the chain to my interface's channel line in, which
> then will be fed into Reaper. I totally totally get that. I further
> also totally get that midi isn't audio. You can't know the amount of
> times I've had to tell people this! It's gets so freaking old!
> Anyway, this digital piano in my personal opinion is more of a very
> low end/very very and did I mention, very! souped up digital piano. I
> say that because it's not got all the features by any means you'd find
> on a pro grade keyboard. The emphesis definitely is more on the piano
> functionality, however, it does have a bank of samples built on board
> probably about 300 of them in addition to the 11 different featured
> piano samples it offers. So, you have all the norms like drums,
> strings, organs, brass, woodwinds, guitars, bases, etc. The samples
> are actually incredible!
>
> Anyway, so I connect the piano to my system via USB which asyncronisly
> does midi in, and midi out.
>
> So, what I'm trying to do is, if I go into Reaper, and I hit ctrl+T to
> create a new track, name it, then hit enter to save the track name and
> insert the track into the project, Then, I'm trying firstly to figure
> out then how to set the input and output to my Roland midi device. I
> presume it's the same as setting the input and output on a midi track
> which I import from a midi .mid file. More about that though in a second.
>
> So, now, let's just say I figure it out, and I get the in and out on
> that track set to midi for my Roland piano/keyboard. I've also set
> local to off on my piano menus so that the only sound I hear when
> hitting notes is that produced by the midi data when that track is
> armed. So now, what I want to know is, firstly, I'm hitting keys and
> hearing a grand piano. I want to now instead however hear say a
> saxophone. So, what I'm firstly asking is, before even hitting R to
> record anything on that track, how do I set the patch to a sax instead
> of a piano as it now is? I get that shift+P would work to let me
> adjust parameters on the last touched track on all its effects in the
> chain, but that's just it. There are no effects yet on the track.
> There are no soft synths either as I'm doing this stricly via
> hardware. The sounds won't be coming from a software virtual
> instrument. They'll be coming from the sounds built into my Roland
> piano, then sent out the Roland piano's line out, back into my
> interface, then captured in Reaper onto an audio track during the
> final mix. Does that make a little bit more sense? This Roland isn't
> just a controller. It's a full fledged digital piano workstation. It
> has built in speakers, and built in sounds.
>
> OK, as for the two senarios, that was the first. Here's the second.
>
> Let's say that I have a midi .mid file and I go into Reaper, no tracks
> in the project, go to the insert menu and then to media file. I then
> browse for, and open the .mid midi file which already has been
> pre-recorded, probably not even from within Reaper initially. We're
> talking just a midi file maybe I find online for example. I say to
> import the tempo map etc, tell it to import all tracks seperetly,
> etc. So now, I have a project, say with 13 or so tracks. Piano,
> base, drums, toms, tiko drums, strings, flute, etc. I down arrow
> through each track, tab into the strip, and set the outputs from none
> over to my Roland. I do this on all tracks, then, I hit w, or home,
> either or to move to the start of the project, and then hit space bar
> to play. I definitely do hear the midi file now routed through the
> sounds in my Roland, and all sounds beautifully gorgeous. Then,
> however, I get to thinking. You know that flute track? Hmm! I think
> actually a claranette would a sounded better, or hmm, maybe even a
> trumpet, instead, even better yet. So, I down arrow to the flute
> track. I hit F2 to rename it to say... trumpoet. OK, now, I tab
> through the items on it's strip like input output, volume, pan, etc.
> Nowhere though do I see anywhere to select a patch. I can't hit
> shift+P as there are no effects in the chain on that track, as it's
> all being done via hardware. Therefore, I can't exactly menipulate
> the patch that way, and change it from flute to trumpet. So then, how
> do I?
>
> Does this make more sense? Again, I didn't wanna do this. I didn't
> wanna write a novel this long, but it's looking like I'm being
> misunderstood left and right with what exactly I'm trying to do. So,
> I hope this clears things up, and for those who would bitch at me for
> writing such a long message, get over it! How else would I have
> explained, you think I wanted? to write something this long? Uh, no?
>
> Anyway, thanks for the help.
>
> Chris.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBIN Alexis via RWP"
> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 8:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
>
>
> Oh, so you have to record in audio. Your midi keyboard only send midi
> instruction, not the sound bank.
>
>
> Le 14/04/2015 14:08, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP a écrit :
>> OK, but I'm not wanting to do this with a software synth. You're not
>> following. I have a keyboard connected to my interface. I want to
>> play the track and have it play through my keyboard's midi in. So in
>> other words, the keyboard is going to be producing the sounds with
>> its built in patches. I just need to know once I up and down arrow to
>> the track how then to change the instrument both before, and after
>> the track has been recorded. Say I recorded a track with a flute, but
>> then I decided, you know, this would a sounded better had I used an
>> oboe instead. I don't wanna have to go back and redo the entire
>> track over. I just want to change it's patch on the fly.
>>
>> Again, I'm not doing this with a software synth. This is going to be
>> done through the sounds on my keyboard.
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle via RWP"
>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 7:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
>>
>>
>>> Also how you do a patch will differ depending on the synth you pick.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/14/2015 2:13 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP wrote:
>>>> So, I've created a track, and set its output to my Roland midi
>>>> controler. Now, how in the world do I select what patch I want to
>>>> use on that track? Say for example I want to record a sax instead
>>>> of a piano? I tabbed through the track strip, but I don't see any
>>>> options to let me select a particular patch preset. Same goes if I
>>>> go to my insert menu in the menu bar, then to media, and simply
>>>> import an already recorded midi file, then want to change the
>>>> preset on one of the tracks to a different instrument.
>>>> So, how's this done?
>>>> Chris.
>>>>
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