[Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?

Gianluca Apollaro gianluca.apollaro88 at gmail.com
Tue Apr 14 11:49:34 EDT 2015 

Hi,
After you set you're hardware as a midi output, you need to use 
ReaControlMidi, that is a reaper plugin. Add it to your track and you 
should be able to change the patches if you're hardware responds to 
program change messages
Hth,
Gianluca from Italy
SkypeID: gianluca8815
Il 14/04/2015 14:51, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP ha scritto:
> No, this does support audio.
>
> OK.
>
> Let me be as specific as possible.  I wasn't going to be as the last 
> time I was, I got my F**king ass bitten off publicly on list, by a few 
> people, and therefore I've purposely made it a point to not write, in 
> their words, a novel.  But in this case, it's looking like I need to 
> do more explaining, as you all don't seem to get the type hardware I'm 
> using.  Maybe you do, and I`! just don't get what you all are saying.
>
> Firstly, no need to educate me on midi most likely, unless you still! 
> see me going wrong with my logic, (no pun intended, LOL!) but anyway, 
> here's the two scenareos.
>
> Firstly, I have a Roland RP401R Rosewood digital piano which has built 
> in speakers.  It also has a line out on the back of it, which I'm 
> running into one of the stereo channels of my interface.  I totally 
> get that the sound I get from the unit will have to be sent through 
> the line out, down the chain to my interface's channel line in, which 
> then will be fed into Reaper. I totally totally get that.  I further 
> also totally get that midi isn't audio. You can't know the amount of 
> times I've had to tell people this!  It's gets so freaking old!  
> Anyway, this digital piano in my personal opinion is more of a very 
> low end/very very and did I mention, very! souped up digital piano.  I 
> say that because it's not got all the features by any means you'd find 
> on a pro grade keyboard.  The emphesis definitely is more on the piano 
> functionality, however, it does have a bank of samples built on board 
> probably about 300 of them in addition to the 11 different featured 
> piano samples it offers.  So, you have all the norms like drums, 
> strings, organs, brass, woodwinds, guitars, bases, etc. The samples 
> are actually incredible!
>
> Anyway, so I connect the piano to my system via USB which asyncronisly 
> does midi in, and midi out.
>
> So, what I'm trying to do is, if I go into Reaper, and I hit ctrl+T to 
> create a new track, name it, then hit enter to save the track name and 
> insert the track into the project, Then, I'm trying firstly to figure 
> out then how to set the input and output to my Roland midi device.  I 
> presume it's the same as setting the input and output on a midi track 
> which I import from a midi .mid file. More about that though in a second.
>
> So, now, let's just say I figure it out, and I get the in and out on 
> that track set to midi for my Roland piano/keyboard.  I've also set 
> local to off on my piano menus so that the only sound I hear when 
> hitting notes is that produced by the midi data when that track is 
> armed.  So now, what I want to know is, firstly, I'm hitting keys and 
> hearing a grand piano.  I want to now instead however hear say a 
> saxophone.  So, what I'm firstly asking is, before even hitting R to 
> record anything on that track, how do I set the patch to a sax instead 
> of a piano as it now is?  I get that shift+P would work to let me 
> adjust parameters on the last touched track on all its effects in the 
> chain, but that's just it.  There are no effects yet on the track.  
> There are no soft synths either as I'm doing this stricly via 
> hardware.  The sounds won't be coming from a software virtual 
> instrument. They'll be coming from the sounds built into my Roland 
> piano, then sent out the Roland piano's line out, back into my 
> interface, then captured in Reaper onto an audio track during the 
> final mix.  Does that make a little bit more sense?  This Roland isn't 
> just a controller.  It's a full fledged digital piano workstation.  It 
> has built in speakers, and built in sounds.
>
> OK, as for the two senarios, that was the first.  Here's the second.
>
> Let's say that I have a midi .mid file and I go into Reaper, no tracks 
> in the project, go to the insert menu and then to media file.  I then 
> browse for, and open the .mid midi file which already has been 
> pre-recorded, probably not even from within Reaper initially.  We're 
> talking just a midi file maybe I find online for example.  I say to 
> import the tempo map etc, tell it to import all tracks seperetly, 
> etc.  So now, I have a project, say with 13 or so tracks.  Piano, 
> base, drums, toms, tiko drums, strings, flute, etc.  I down arrow 
> through each track, tab into the strip, and set the outputs from none 
> over to my Roland.  I do this on all tracks, then, I hit w, or home, 
> either or to move to the start of the project, and then hit space bar 
> to play.  I definitely do hear the midi file now routed through the 
> sounds in my Roland, and all sounds beautifully gorgeous.  Then, 
> however, I get to thinking.  You know that flute track?  Hmm!  I think 
> actually a claranette would a sounded better, or hmm, maybe even a 
> trumpet, instead, even better yet.  So, I down arrow to the flute 
> track.  I hit F2 to rename it to say... trumpoet.  OK, now, I tab 
> through the items on it's strip like input output, volume, pan, etc.  
> Nowhere though do I see anywhere to select a patch.  I can't hit 
> shift+P as there are no effects in the chain on that track, as it's 
> all being done via hardware.  Therefore, I can't exactly menipulate 
> the patch that way, and change it from flute to trumpet. So then, how 
> do I?
>
> Does this make more sense?  Again, I didn't wanna do this.  I didn't 
> wanna write a novel this long, but it's looking like I'm being 
> misunderstood left and right with what exactly I'm trying to do.  So, 
> I hope this clears things up, and for those who would bitch at me for 
> writing such a long message, get over it!  How else would I have 
> explained, you think I wanted? to write something this long?  Uh, no?
>
> Anyway, thanks for the help.
>
> Chris.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBIN Alexis via RWP" 
> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 8:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
>
>
> Oh, so you have to record in audio. Your midi keyboard only send midi
> instruction, not the sound bank.
>
>
> Le 14/04/2015 14:08, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP a écrit :
>> OK, but I'm not wanting to do this with a software synth.  You're not 
>> following.  I have a keyboard connected to my interface.  I want to 
>> play the track and have it play through my keyboard's midi in.  So in 
>> other words, the keyboard is going to be producing the sounds with 
>> its built in patches. I just need to know once I up and down arrow to 
>> the track how then to change the instrument both before, and after 
>> the track has been recorded. Say I recorded a track with a flute, but 
>> then I decided, you know, this would a sounded better had I used an 
>> oboe instead.  I don't wanna have to go back and redo the entire 
>> track over.  I  just want to change it's patch on the fly.
>>
>> Again, I'm not doing this with a software synth.  This is going to be 
>> done through the sounds on my keyboard.
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle via RWP" 
>> <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 7:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] How in the world do I select a certain patch?
>>
>>
>>> Also how you do a patch will differ depending on the synth you pick.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/14/2015 2:13 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland via RWP wrote:
>>>> So, I've created a track, and set its output to my Roland midi 
>>>> controler. Now, how in the world do I select what patch I want to 
>>>> use on that track? Say for example I want to record a sax instead 
>>>> of a piano? I tabbed through the track strip, but I don't see any 
>>>> options to let me select a particular patch preset.  Same goes if I 
>>>> go to my insert menu in the menu bar, then to media, and simply 
>>>> import an already recorded midi file, then want to change the 
>>>> preset on one of the tracks to a different instrument.
>>>> So, how's this done?
>>>> Chris.
>>>>
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